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1. baobab+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-05-15 15:33:17
Evidence points in this direction, though.

Different methods of therapy appear to be equally effective despite having theoretical foundations which are conflicting with each other. The common aspect between different therapies seems to be "having someone to talk to", so I'm inclined to believe that really is what's behind the success.

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2. pphysc+K2[view] [source] 2024-05-15 15:45:45
>>baobab+(OP)
Having someone to talk to, who is somewhat emotionally intelligent, who doesn't have strong biases against you, and so on...

If you are fortunate, you have people like that in your immediate circle, but increasingly few people do.

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3. Americ+Y3[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-15 15:50:30
>>pphysc+K2
What part of the therapist training regimen tests for emotional intelligence? What test do they use to measure this?
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4. pas+Z3[view] [source] 2024-05-15 15:50:39
>>baobab+(OP)
> "having someone to talk to"

it's a bit more complicated than that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z37i8-FnAh8

and on top of this the method of therapy is to find better copings, not just to vent.

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5. cbsmit+34[view] [source] 2024-05-15 15:50:56
>>baobab+(OP)
> Evidence points in this direction, though.

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> Different methods of therapy appear to be equally effective despite having theoretical foundations which are conflicting with each other. The common aspect between different therapies seems to be "having someone to talk to", so I'm inclined to believe that really is what's behind the success.

Just because talking is the common trait, doesn't mean that that's evidence that that is all it is. Paying someone to help you with the problem is also a common trait (and ironically, that is, no doubt, a contributory factor), but that isn't all that therapy is.

Let's say that there are three ways to solve a problem, and depending on context that we're not terribly good at determining, one of those ways will work quite often, one will work some of the time, and the other will be a disaster... but there's an equal probability that each of those ways are equally likely to fall in to each of those categories. Statistically, one could claim that how you solve the problem is not behind the success. In a sense, that would be correct, because the real determinant of success would be being lucky with the solution you chose to employ. While one could imply though that really it's nothing more than being lucky at choosing the solution, in reality without all of what's involved in that choice, the problem will remain.

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6. baobab+G4[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-15 15:53:38
>>pas+Z3
I'm not going to watch a 45 minute video in an effort to decipher what you are implying with this comment.
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7. pdabba+K4[view] [source] 2024-05-15 15:53:53
>>baobab+(OP)
There may be a kernel of truth in this, but it depends on why you're seeing a therapist. For treatment of OCD, for example, or phobias, there are specific protocols that yield results, but they do not respond to just "having someone to talk to."

Other kinds of conditions, like depression and anxiety, respond to a wider range of therapy styles. But those aren't the only conditions that people seek to treat through talk therapy. (And it's also an exaggeration to say that just having any conversation will help to treat anxiety and reopression. But it is probably true that treatment of these conditions is less technical and responds to a much wider range of styles.)

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8. pdabba+b6[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-15 15:59:42
>>Americ+Y3
They don't attempt to measure it, but they do teach approaches like "unconditional positive regard" and other techniques that allow a practitioner to demonstrate (or at least seem to demonstrate) a higher level of emotional intelligence.

A big part of therapy is also rapport. Many people go through many therapist before finding one that works for them. In part, you can think of this as the market performing the assessment your'e referring to.

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9. detour+k7[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-15 16:04:27
>>Americ+Y3
It is covered in the curriculum. They study emotional intelligence and with luck they are able to self-reflect using their education.

Actual maladaptive personalities are the result of low emotional intelligence.

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10. pas+P7[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-15 16:06:21
>>baobab+G4
I'm implying that data shows that efficacy of therapy depends on concrete factors (~5 of them discussed in the video). it's not "just someone to talk to".
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11. burnte+m8[view] [source] 2024-05-15 16:08:08
>>baobab+(OP)
> Different methods of therapy appear to be equally effective despite having theoretical foundations which are conflicting with each other. The common aspect between different therapies seems to be "having someone to talk to", so I'm inclined to believe that really is what's behind the success.

This isn't true. Different methods work better for different problems. I've been in behavior health for 7 years now. It's having someone with a lot of education to talk to, someone with education in social and psychological problems and healthy coping mechanisms.

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12. baobab+J8[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-15 16:09:50
>>pas+P7
Thank you.
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13. Americ+bk[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-15 17:02:18
>>pdabba+b6
They don’t attempt to measure it because it not something that’s even properly defined with any rigour. Any person who seriously uses the phrase is going to have their own completely individual idea of what it means, and there’s no reason the think any therapist would have this nebulous quality, or even that their idea of what it means has any similarity to your idea of what it means.
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14. pdabba+wC[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-15 18:36:32
>>Americ+bk
I suppose I agree — "emotional intelligence" is probably not the word I would have used, writing on a blank slate. I think the idea is better captured in the concept of rapport, which is really just a function of clients' subjective experience working with a given therapist. A therapist can learn techniques to increase the chances of establishing a good rapport with a given client, but I'd be inclined to leave it at that.
15. lo_zam+rG[view] [source] 2024-05-15 18:58:16
>>baobab+(OP)
From what I understand, therapy success rates are quite low, with only cognitive behavior therapy showing notable progress. That isn't to say all the others are categorically useless, only that in the majority of cases, they seem to be ineffective or harmful.
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16. kridsd+Ni1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-15 22:47:02
>>baobab+G4
You could dump the YouTube link in to Gemini Advanced and ask it for the point.
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