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Sitting on the roof?

>>coffee+(OP)
Rest and Vest baby!

>>coffee+(OP)
That was literally me at Google

>>teaear+32
Silicon Valley is one of the most underrated documentaries of the last decade.

>>teaear+32
How can I get this gig at Google? I’m willing to not work for mid to high six figures.

>>coffee+(OP)
remember that from the Silicon Valley (HBO) episode. :)

>>teaear+32
Yeah, that’s Google’s reputation. Probably the most famous retirement home in the Bay.

>>lulzne+r5
You have to be someone who’s worth more not working for someone else than not working for Google.

>>renewi+Q7
but it's not true. Most people work a lot at G. Maybe some teams in search coast or something. But for every slacker I know 8 people who stay late a fair bit.

>>VirusN+0b
“Working a lot” doesn’t necessitate “staying late”

>>VirusN+0b
Nah man come on lol. (source: worked at Google 2016-2023)

>>VirusN+0b
"Most" leaves a lot of room there.

Of course there are lots of hard workers at Google. You suggest only about 10% are slackers. But that's 10% of a -lot-.

I'm thinking there's a market for an Android app that let's one schedule limited roof space...

>>VirusN+0b
My experience differs greatly, company I used to work for did NDA, alpha, beta projects with Google. I was always impressed at how little anyone knew, the fact that nothing was delivered on time, scope creep to the point of almost everything being delayed and most projects were not well thought out nor well architected. I warned one API update would break things if it went live, and it did. Why was the guy from another company the only one able to see that? I’m sure they were working hard at something but it wasn’t ever clear what.

>>VirusN+0b
Strong disagree, I’ve never seen people work less than my time there.

>>VirusN+0b
I've actually met someone who was "on the roof" at Google once. I asked what he was working on and he admitted he hasn't had a project for the last six months. Until that point I thought the roof was a joke.

>>golerg+E3
If you extend the window a little bit, along Yes Minister, Idiocracy and Demolition Man (the last two being a documentary of our time filmed 20y ago).

>>mtnGoa+Vl
But ask a dynamic programming question and watch it get smashed out None of the points you raise relate to being really good at dynamic programming

>>cm2187+dA
> Idiocracy

I definitely enjoyed this movie, and it's understandable that people of any era, starting with ancient Greece, enjoy lamenting at how stupid people are becoming. However, as long as videos explaining quantum physics and 4-hour long interviews with historians and engineers are still one of the most popular kinds of content on Youtube, I would suggest that it's not a documentary, at least not yet.

>>lulzne+r5
You don't want it. They'll simultaneously pay you big money to stop you from working somewhere else, and crush your soul at the same time.

Also they won't do that anymore, I'm sure.

>>zaphir+5B
Haha if only dynamic programming was what least to greatness in software engineering.

>>golerg+rC
All that is dwarfed next to the amount of people watching the latest reaction to a repost of a video in TikTok.

>>zaphir+5B
Yeah, and if you have any problem estimating the golfball carrying capacity of a schoolbus, Google are your go-to guys.

>>lulzne+r5
You don’t. It’s soul crushing.

>>dymk+DL1
Yup. I quit!

>>mtnGoa+Vl
>company I used to work for did NDA, alpha, beta projects with Google.

Sorry, are you saying you worked with Google Contractors or TSEs or something? I don't understand how you'd be working with product SWEs so I don't know what you're quite saying.

>>VirusN+ec2
Speaking as Google SWE from 2016-2023: It's hard to explain*, but, because of the rest and vest culture, lack of planning, lack of interest in managing, conflict avoidance, asocial engineers, etc., an incredible amount of tentpole feature work is actually outsourced.

i.e. get the contractors in to rush out the new 5D screensavers, give them the contact info for our screensaver technical lead, and let them work it out. Screensaver technical lead saying they don't have resources for this until 30 months from now is placated. Their tendency to jealously guard code and talk smack is directed at people who will never know. The understanding that you always say "Sir Yes Sir" prevents them from complaining to their manager behind a few nasty comments they'll giggle about to eachother.

Of course, this also saves money too: ex. director-make-work "vision" projects that'll never ship, and are temporary work for worker bees, now can be temporarily staffed. (hence their reference to NDA/alpha/beta)

* especially in the context of the claim that there's 8:1 ratio of late night workers to rest-and-vesters. Crazy.

>>golerg+rC
It’s always been the case that most people are mediocre in terms of intelligence. That’s something we should be able to accept. What I want for the future is for more people to be good and happy.

>>VirusN+ec2
When you(and your customers) consume several hundred million dollars a year in services, you get access to a lot of things. These were not contractors, they were on product teams.