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1. giraff+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-04-29 15:57:20
How is it slanderous to point out the board composition is not representative of the community. Seriously walk me through this one.
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2. Pannon+v1[view] [source] 2024-04-29 16:02:26
>>giraff+(OP)
Mostly because they have double standards. If 100% of the board was "diverse" in some way, they would claim that it compensates for historical injustices or something. If they were truly serious about inclusion, it would be completely fine, but this is just authoritarian assholes hiding behind the veneer of "fighting against fascism" (in the document posted by @busterarm, some of these people even openly advocate doxxing their political opponents)
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3. retool+S2[view] [source] 2024-04-29 16:08:15
>>giraff+(OP)
I don't believe that the boards composition for engineering and technological organizations or projects should be chosen based on the results of measuring skulls, genetics or what partners they openly prefer for sexual intercourse, that seems unrelated to the work.

The slander against the board is quite obvious and I believe you're being disingenuous.

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4. ipv6ip+W2[view] [source] 2024-04-29 16:08:23
>>giraff+(OP)
What is the composition of the nix community?
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5. giraff+f4[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-04-29 16:13:45
>>retool+S2
I was being sincere. I think it's reasonable to expect a governing board to be at least partially representative of the users & contributors of the project. It seems extremely presumptuous at best to tell people their lives & experiences are not relevant to the work they do, and that they are wrong to want people with similar experiences acting in leadership.

So no, I still can't see slander. What is obvious to you is not apparent to me at all so please walk me through it.

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6. Pareto+x5[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-04-29 16:17:49
>>Pannon+v1
> . If they were truly serious about inclusion, it would be completely fine, but this is just authoritarian assholes hiding behind the veneer of "fighting against fascism"

People arguing from the direction you seem to be usually are big about not assuming intent... why assume intent here?

How can you prove they don't both believe they are fighting about fascism and care about that fight?

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7. Pareto+K5[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-04-29 16:18:26
>>ipv6ip+W2
It's not hard to argue "the nix community is not 100% white male".
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8. Pannon+99[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-04-29 16:30:49
>>Pareto+x5
First, I'm not from that "side" which you think I am. Second, I do assume intent and here it's beyond reasonable doubt that this is about pushing your agenda. I do not dispute that some of these people genuinely believe that they are doing good - either they got brainwashed by others, or they've successfully brainwashed themselves. (In fact, many of us, including me, brainwashed ourself with various things on occasions. It's fairly common)

I won't go over the entire document, but it's pretty telling how they've refused to commit to "no politics" as a rule - because they want to promote theirs! The problem wasn't that sidr linked to politics, but that he linked to the wrong type. (I checked it out and I definitely don't agree with most of it. But that doesn't mean I can't defend his right to speak)

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9. retool+Ee[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-04-29 16:53:25
>>giraff+f4
I understand your position, but I respectfully disagree. Selecting leadership based on immutable characteristics like race, gender or sexuality rather than merit and contributions is misguided and prejudiced, even if motivated by a desire for representation.

The current leaders' "lives & experiences" very much inform their work - their experience contributing to and building the project. What's irrelevant and presumptuous is assuming their race, gender, etc. make them unfit or that "people with similar experiences" (i.e. the same demographics) would necessarily lead better. The slander is in attacking and attempting to de-legitimize the board not based on their actions or competence, but on their identities. That's textbook ad hominem.

Inclusion means welcoming people of all backgrounds, not enforcing demographic quotas or judging people's fitness based on identity rather than ability. If you have substantive concerns about board decisions or project direction, by all means raise them. But leave identity politics out of it and focus on the issues. Presuming leaders can't serve the community well because of innate traits is its own form of prejudice.

The only real criticism of concern was the military contracts and a conflict of interest, which I believe is valid and needs discussion, the rest just seems like personal attacks meant to further some unrelated agenda.

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10. ipv6ip+XK[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-04-29 19:27:45
>>Pareto+K5
What is it then?
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11. Pareto+FR[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-04-29 19:53:32
>>ipv6ip+XK
I don't know. I can invalidate the Nix community is 100% white by knowing 1 or more community members that aren't white and/or male... which I do.
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