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This only holds if defense outscales attack. It seems very likely that attack outscales defense to me with LLMs.

>>Feepin+(OP)
Well then, isn’t the whole case about just denying the inevitable?

If OpenAI can do it, I would not say that that is very unlikely for someone else to do the same. Open or not. The best chance is still that we prepare with the best available information.

>>Feepin+(OP)
either way it still shouldn't be in the hands of a private for profit corporation

>>nicce+81
Yep, it absolutely is about denying the inevitable, or rather, "playing for time." The longer we manage to delay, the more likely somebody comes up with some clever approach for actually controlling the things. Also humanity stays alive in the meantime, which is no small thing in itself.

>>nicce+81
>denying the inevitable

I mean, you spend a lot of time in your own life denying the inevitable, humans spend a lot of time and effort avoiding their own personal extinction.

>The best chance is still

The best information we have now is if we create AGI/ASI at this time, we all die. The only winning move is not to play in that game.

>>Feepin+gv1
> with some clever approach for actually controlling the things.

But if we hide the things, we have no idea what we are trying to control.

>>pixl97+AP1
> The best information we have now is if we create AGI/ASI at this time, we all die.

We can still unplug or turn off the things. We are still very faraway from the situation where AI has some factories and full supply chain to control and take physical control of the world.

>>nicce+cd4
... Eh? You as an end-user can't contribute to this anyways. If you really want to work on safety, either use a smaller network or join the safety team at a big org.

>>nicce+xd4
Meanwhile, every giant AI company: "yeah we're looking at robotics, obviously if we could embody these things and give them agency in the physical world that would be a great achievement"

>>Feepin+eV8
Our rush into AI and embodiment reminds me of the lily pad exponential growth parable.

>Imagine a large pond that is completely empty except for 1 lily pad. The lily pad will grow exponentially and cover the entire pond in 3 years. In other words, after 1 month there will 2 lily pads, after 2 months there will be 4, etc. The pond is covered in 36 months

We're all going to be sitting around at 34 months saying "Look, it's been years and AI hasn't taken over that much of the market.