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1. zitter+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-03-01 16:51:51
The organization consists of the non-profit OpenAI, Inc. registered in Delaware and its for-profit subsidiary OpenAI Global, LLC. (From Wikipedia)
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2. debacl+z[view] [source] 2024-03-01 16:53:44
>>zitter+(OP)
A non-profit can have a for-profit subsidiary?
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3. blckni+Z[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-03-01 16:55:54
>>debacl+z
Yes
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4. deaddo+f1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-03-01 16:56:42
>>debacl+z
Yes.
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5. manque+t1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-03-01 16:57:44
>>debacl+z
Mozilla has been doing that for 20 years ?
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6. jraph+F1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-03-01 16:58:34
>>debacl+z
This would be the case of Mozilla (The Mozilla Foundation owns the Mozilla Corporation)
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7. yanokw+G1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-03-01 16:58:35
>>debacl+z
Yup! Mozilla uses this very structure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation
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8. whimsi+V2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-03-01 17:04:45
>>debacl+z
yes, common and why not? i dont think most people here know what non profits are or actually do
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9. alickz+13[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-03-01 17:05:12
>>debacl+z
I had the same question: >>38332460

Apparently a non-profit can own all the shares of a for-profit

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10. Kranar+d4[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-03-01 17:11:52
>>debacl+z
Absolutely, Mozilla is another relevant example where the Mozilla Foundation is a non-profit that owns the Mozilla Corporation, which is for-profit. Furthermore many non-profits also buy shares of for-profit corporations, for example the Gates Foundation owns a large chunk of Microsoft.

You can imagine a non-profit buying enough shares of a for-profit company that it can appoint the for-profit company's board of directors, at which point it's a subsidiary.

Heck a non-profit is even allowed and encouraged to make a profit. There are certainly rules about what non-profits can and can't do, but the big rule is that a non-profit can't distribute its profits, ie. pay out a dividend. It must demonstrate that their expenditures support their tax exempt status, but the for-profit subsidiary is more than welcome to pay out dividends or engage in activities that serve private interests.

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11. biccbo+E8[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-03-01 17:29:18
>>debacl+z
why doesn't everyone do this? take all that sweet investor money without having to give anything then have a for profit subsidiary....
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12. timeon+2G[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-03-01 20:13:13
>>yanokw+G1
Even better example is IKEA.
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13. deaddo+jM[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-03-01 20:51:17
>>biccbo+E8
Because most corporate investments aren't managed by complete morons.

This works when there's an obvious non-profit that has a monetizable product. The latter conflicts with the former, so it requires a disconnect. Meanwhile, if Apple tried to do the same, investors would look at that as obviously shady. In addition, non-profits are more heavily restricted by the government.

Lastly, you can't just "take the money" and "do what you want"; fraud, malfeasance, fiduciary responsibility (in the corporate entity), etc still exist. It's not some magic get out of jail free card.

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14. jiggaw+tf1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-03-02 00:11:36
>>debacl+z
A surprising one I came across was a group of government departments that collectively controlled a "shell" government agency that ran a non-profit that owned a for-profit Pty Ltd which had over 1K staff.

It was a "legal fiction" to sidestep union rules, government employment regulations, etc...

This let them hire IT staff at market rates, because otherwise they couldn't pay them a competitive wage as normal public servants working directly for the departments.

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15. nicce+Lf1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-03-02 00:14:02
>>timeon+2G
Wait, what?
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