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1. peterc+(OP)[view] [source] 2008-12-10 01:36:42
I know it's the alarmist thing to say, but it's starting here.

While there have been flurries of "poor" content accruing a decent set of points in the past, I'm now starting to see a lot of downvoting occurring. Previously, downvotes were used on spam, offensiveness, or flat out "wrong" comments - whereas now it appears to be an indicator of opinion. This shift demonstrates how significant the "new wave" of HN users is.

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2. palish+D[view] [source] 2008-12-10 02:00:47
>>peterc+(OP)
There's nothing wrong with using the arrows to express agreement or disagreement. I personally prefer the discussion to be a little polarized, because it seems like we put in a lot more effort into our words in that case.
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3. pg+V1[view] [source] 2008-12-10 02:55:50
>>peterc+(OP)
Downvoting has always been used to express disagreement.
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4. run4yo+B4[view] [source] 2008-12-10 05:09:10
>>peterc+(OP)
I actually agree with you that it used to be next to impossible to be down-voted here, (unless you were a complete tool) and now it's a lot more frequent, as your comment ironically demonstrates.
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5. peterc+TL[view] [source] [discussion] 2008-12-12 01:38:41
>>pg+V1
If that's an official sanction, then I'm in Giles Bowkett's camp. That sort of policy leads to groupthink, not honest debate where people feel at ease to express their opinions, however controversial.

I've routinely voted up people I disagree with because I thought this was a place where opinions across the spectrum were to be encouraged. It would be sad to see this is now not the case and that instead you should say whatever's most likely to get you points. Are the people on the leaders board meant to be the most "average" in opinion as judged by HN readers? That sounds downright boring.

Of course, you might just be saying that's how people use downvoting, not how they should use it - which I'd agree with. Even so, a sanction against this practice would be super as it removes one's motivation to actually express one's true opinion (unless burning karma is one's hobby).

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6. peterc+VL[view] [source] [discussion] 2008-12-12 01:40:08
>>palish+D
Sure we do. Revising your opinions in a way to get extra karma does take a lot more effort.

If you think you're going to lose a bunch of karma for just expressing your opinion, you'll follow the group opinion and it leads to groupthink.

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