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1. flir+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-01-28 10:47:49
There's a good chance that the sudden bump in sea surface temperature is a consequence of us cleaning up marine diesel. Which is at least interesting, because it suggests we were doing geoengineering without even knowing it.

(Random thought: what's the sulphur content of automotive diesel? I know it's cleaner, but there are so many more cars than boats. Could we see another sea surface temperature bump as we phase out diesel cars?)

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2. _y5hn+w3[view] [source] 2024-01-28 11:21:48
>>flir+(OP)
It could be that (removing sulphur from shipping fuel):

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/01/shipping...

It could be the underwater Tonga volcano erruption, which put alot of water into the atmosphere. Water is also a GHG.

https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/goddard/tonga-er...

It could be El Nino part of the ENSO-cycle in addition.

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/08/1181086972/el-nino-has-offici...

All these are temporary masking conditions. They also add to feedback effects, for increased warming. So could be partly accellerating heating as well.

I think some researchers are seeing accelleration in the overall trend. You can eyeball this with a ruler as well. Even though it might be too early to tell, it's hard to find any negative feedback loops to counter all these positive ones.

For cars, I think we'd probably see increase in surface temperature on land. People might care a bit more then. It could be removed from both gas and diesel. That would bring pollution down, but also remove aerosols currently masking effects from GHG.

https://www.futurity.org/potassium-fuel-sulfur-1369772-2/

UPDATE: As noted in another comment here. Car fuel is quite a bit different category than bunker fuel (heavy fuel oil). We might still observe "unmasking"-impacts if implemented generally though. We'd notice it more too, as the impact would be right where we use our cars.

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3. jijiji+S3[view] [source] 2024-01-28 11:26:18
>>flir+(OP)
I don't think ships are burning "diesel", but basically crude oil. It's not even in the same category as car fuel.
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4. flir+8d[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 12:49:07
>>_y5hn+w3
No useful comment, except to say I thought that was a great response. Thoughtful and detailed despite being an extended "it's complicated". My ignorance feels much better informed ;)
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