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1. swiftc+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-01-27 20:37:40
It's not really taboo, it's just straight-up a racist right-wing talking point.

Treat it as a software optimisation problem - should you go after a large number of very minro problems, or take an axe to the single large problem that dominates your metrics?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/20/richest-...

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2. 127361+i1[view] [source] 2024-01-27 20:45:26
>>swiftc+(OP)
I am confused as to how discouraging procreation is racist?
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3. 10xDev+R1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-27 20:49:42
>>127361+i1
LOL. You wrote a comment on how India is the main problem not the west (either now flagged or deleted). You singled out a race as being the problem.
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4. 127361+53[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-27 20:59:07
>>10xDev+R1
I didn't single out a specific race, I think, I just mentioned that it was that specific region of the world where the problem was located. As far as I'm aware it was nothing to do with discrimination because of a specific characteristic (which is the definition of racism). It was just that population growth in that region was very large combined with a high per-capita CO2 footprint.

Many NGOs are actively trying to increase the availability of birth control in such regions, they are aware of the problem with unplanned pregnancy in those parts of the world. I strongly doubt there's any racism behind it.

https://www.cgdev.org/blog/access-contraception-global-devel...

While in the west population growth is relatively slow and we still have a high per-capita CO2 footprint.

I guess I unintentionally touched a taboo subject (racism) that's not permitted by the current moral orthodoxy, which is no different to religion in the end? I hope I'm correct about this.

I don't really care if my posts are flagged or even if I get banned from this site completely, I am exercising my 1st Amendment protected freedom of speech rights. It's just that on the Internet every forum is privately owned, there is no "public square" here, and thus all are subject to moderation and censorship.

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5. nojvek+zL[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 04:18:32
>>127361+53
HN greys out the post if negatively voted. It can still be seen.

I like when HN has varying points of view with supporting links/data.

I’m with you on the population and per capita resource use.

Fact is that India is also slowly leveling out. Africa has a bunch of countries with high growth and that’s where the most humans are being added.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_populat...

6. sgt101+531[view] [source] 2024-01-28 08:37:58
>>swiftc+(OP)
From my observations the current rightwing meme is that women in rich countries haven't had sufficient numbers of children and measures to drive increased population should be put in place.

This is congruent with removing women's bodily autonomy, banning abortion and banning or restricting birth control of all types.

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7. swiftc+s61[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 09:14:50
>>127361+53
> While in the west population growth is relatively slow and we still have a high per-capita CO2 footprint.

A footpirnt so high that it more than counterbalances population growth in the developing world.

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8. Sidebu+3c1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 10:12:03
>>sgt101+531
> From my observations the current rightwing meme is that women in rich countries haven't had sufficient numbers of children and measures to drive increased population should be put in place.

When you get to the far right wing, it's not just about "are there sufficient numbers of children?" but "Is my favoured population subgroup having sufficient numbers of children?"

i.e. racism

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9. matheu+cf1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 10:47:11
>>sgt101+531
> This is congruent with removing women's bodily autonomy, banning abortion and banning or restricting birth control of all types.

There is absolutely no need to do any of that. Just tax them. Tax the childless and unmarried more. Tax the married couples with children less. Make not having children a form of wealth and tax it accordingly. The results will be achieved without a single sacrifice in personal autonomy.

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10. beirut+Ag1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 11:01:23
>>Sidebu+3c1
Now we're getting somewhere. The taboo is when you start accounting for christofascist families churning out children like it's a Factorio assembly line so that there are always more of "us" then there are of "them".
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11. epheme+5h1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 11:06:12
>>sgt101+531
I have never in my life seen or heard anyone advocating for less use of birth control. This might be an N=1 scenario, but my bullshit'o-meter is tingling a bit.

The people I know on the right have nothing against birth control. They are just against abortion exept for exceptional circuimstances, because by that point the relevant parties had their chance with birth control. To them, abortion shouldn't be an escape hatch from bad life choices.

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12. tzs+Vi1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 11:23:55
>>127361+53
> It was just that population growth in that region was very large combined with a high per-capita CO2 footprint.

I can't find the comment in question, but if the person above is right when they said it was about India then you are wrong that they have a high per-capita CO2 footprint.

They are under 2 tons CO2 per person per year.

That's about 40% of the world average, 25% of the EU, 22% of China, and 13% of the US.

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13. swiftc+yj1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 11:31:09
>>epheme+5h1
You make be hanging out with some fairly centrist right-leaning folks. Clarence Thomas explicitly painted a target on Griswold vs Connecticut when overturning Roe vs Wade, and quite a number of anti-abortion groups have been trying to parlay their victories versus abortion into restrictions on Plan B and IUDs.
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14. Qem+Vl1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 11:51:36
>>matheu+cf1
Tax all corporations discriminating against parents and fertile-age women in their hiring processes.
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15. sgt101+Vp1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 12:26:55
>>Sidebu+3c1
Oh sure - there's a lot of racism in this position.

It was advocated by the Nazi's in the 1930's for a start.

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16. sgt101+ms1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 12:48:41
>>epheme+5h1
Err - have you heard of a fella called "His Holiness The Pope"? Here is a recent summary of remarks made recently [1].

'On the subject of birth control, the Catechism of the Catholic Church states that “legitimate intentions on the part of the spouses do not justify recourse to morally unacceptable means (for example, direct sterilization or contraception).”

St. Paul VI issued Humanae Vitae, the landmark encyclical reaffirming Church teaching against contraception, on July 25, 1968.

In the encyclical, Paul VI warned of serious social consequences if the widespread use of contraceptives became accepted. He predicted that it would lead to infidelity, the lowering of morality, a loss of respect for women, and the belief that humans have “unlimited dominion” over the body.'

Now, mainstream Catholics are relatively moderate in terms of many modern political positions, but I hope that the fact of approximately 1bn people adopting and affirming this position establishes that my assertion isn't bullshit. Beyond Catholics I think that the "true right" (someone help me please) have many folks (often with undercuts, wild eyes and tattoo's that they regret only because if they are discovered they will disqualify them from public life) who have far stronger views. To find out about these people (I will restrain myself from more powerful descriptions of them) please investigate the "tradwife" [3] and "incel" [2] movements.

[1]https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/251920/pope-francis-...

[2] https://theconversation.com/incel-violence-is-a-form-of-extr...

[3] https://jezebel.com/trad-wife-wellness-influencers-are-tryin...

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17. 0xcde4+BO1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-28 15:19:25
>>epheme+5h1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull

https://michiganadvance.com/2022/02/20/gop-attorney-general-...

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/birth-control-side-eff...

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18. Rankin+I73[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-29 00:50:23
>>epheme+5h1
As someone who grew up Catholic, I think you might need to get your bullshit'o-meter recalibrated
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