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1. eej71+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-01-26 22:35:52
They don't have to go away.

But, I think its reasonable to assert that the Arab world desperately needs to become more secularized. Most of the Arab world is deeply anti-semitic, deeply tribal (even amongst themselves), and deeply backwards in their orientation to what makes a free society possible.

In that sense, the palestinians need a big cultural change.

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2. octopo+h4[view] [source] 2024-01-26 23:00:05
>>eej71+(OP)
That might have happened if Israel hadn't interfered to deny Gazans any alternative to Hamas. Presumably they hoped that would cripple Gaza even more.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q...

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-netanyahu-bolste...

https://theintercept.com/2023/10/14/hamas-israel-palestinian...

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3. vcryan+Ke[view] [source] 2024-01-27 00:01:28
>>eej71+(OP)
Where are you getting this information? Arab don't "need to become secularized" -- why? To make you happy? Being Muslim doesn't make a person anti-Jewish. It is extremely bizarre that you are calling for an entire group of millions of people to change their culture.
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4. starik+rf[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-27 00:06:30
>>octopo+h4
These are all op-eds. Opinions, not facts. That's one. Secondly, for some of the links, if you follow the logic, they are suggesting that Israel should have gone to war with Hamas earlier and eliminated it. Thirdly, what exactly are you suggesting Israel should have done earlier in relation to Gaza and Hamas?

You probably don't know. Neither do I. If we did, other smarter people would have too and it would have probably been implemented already.

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5. eej71+Wp[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-27 01:20:42
>>vcryan+Ke
As one source, I'd highly recommend Unveiled: How Western Liberals Empower Radical Islam. Yasmine Mohammed provides some first hand experiences here.

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/49645708

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6. SirSav+fu[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-27 01:56:46
>>starik+rf
Benjamin Netanyahu encouraging the funding of Hamas via Qatar is not an opinion, it's a fact. The situation Israel is dealing with right now is entirely of their own making; it's called blowback.
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7. starik+1F[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-27 03:36:44
>>SirSav+fu
See...you are taking something that did happen and twisting it to fit your bias.

The money from Qatar had humanitarian goals like paying government salaries in Gaza and buying fuel to keep a power plant running. Obviously, the money was misused and spent on building rockets and missiles. But also a portion was spent on what Qatar intended.

The rationale at the time (this was not a secret deal or anything like that) was that Qatar money is going to make it to Gaza one way or another anyway - it's better if Israel knows about it.

And somehow throwing Netanyahu into the mix is just meant to have some people see red. He was out of power for a year and a half. Surely if it was his personal agenda, the govt that took over after him would stop the payments. They didn't.

But I agree with you that no matter how you twist it, it's definitely a blowback.

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8. Someon+G81[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-27 09:46:11
>>SirSav+fu
Ben Gvir, Smotrich were all foaming in their mouths how great Hamas is for israel.
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9. eej71+dw1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-27 13:58:20
>>starik+1F
If Israel is guilty of a sin, they are guilty of moral appeasement. They need to stop giving sanction to their destroyers.
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