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1. locall+7v1[view] [source] 2024-01-26 21:36:35
>>xbar+(OP)
My views on the situation aside, the clearest I saw anyone communicate the issues from a global angle was the former French prime minister Dominique de Villepin

Translated here: https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1718201487132885246

Viewed from the angle of the West, I think the message it needs to avoid isolating itself from the world is very unusual for Western media and important.

Quote:

"Westerners must open their eyes to the extent of the historical drama unfolding before us to find the right answers."

And

"This Palestinian question will not fade. And so we must address it and find an answer. This is where we need courage. The use of force is a dead end. The moral condemnation of what Hamas did - and there's no "but" in my words regarding the moral condemnation of this horror - must not prevent us from moving forward politically and diplomatically in an enlightened manner. The law of retaliation is a never-ending cycle."

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2. nemo44+sB1[view] [source] 2024-01-26 22:02:39
>>locall+7v1
> The law of retaliation is a never-ending cycle.

Well, there are ways to end it. Historically there have been thousands of cyclical conflicts that eventually ended without a diplomatic solution.

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3. locall+hF1[view] [source] 2024-01-26 22:18:30
>>nemo44+sB1
In this situation I disagree. The world is overwhelmingly pro Palestine, and the Arab world obviously. They will not go away. Israel will not go away either.
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4. eej71+MJ1[view] [source] 2024-01-26 22:35:52
>>locall+hF1
They don't have to go away.

But, I think its reasonable to assert that the Arab world desperately needs to become more secularized. Most of the Arab world is deeply anti-semitic, deeply tribal (even amongst themselves), and deeply backwards in their orientation to what makes a free society possible.

In that sense, the palestinians need a big cultural change.

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5. octopo+3O1[view] [source] 2024-01-26 23:00:05
>>eej71+MJ1
That might have happened if Israel hadn't interfered to deny Gazans any alternative to Hamas. Presumably they hoped that would cripple Gaza even more.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q...

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-netanyahu-bolste...

https://theintercept.com/2023/10/14/hamas-israel-palestinian...

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6. starik+dZ1[view] [source] 2024-01-27 00:06:30
>>octopo+3O1
These are all op-eds. Opinions, not facts. That's one. Secondly, for some of the links, if you follow the logic, they are suggesting that Israel should have gone to war with Hamas earlier and eliminated it. Thirdly, what exactly are you suggesting Israel should have done earlier in relation to Gaza and Hamas?

You probably don't know. Neither do I. If we did, other smarter people would have too and it would have probably been implemented already.

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