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1. echelo+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-12-28 03:51:56
> I want my worst enemies to be able to use my open source code against me and my competitors to be able to re-purpose it to try and drive me out of business.

Even when it's the ten trillion dollar combined market cap of FAANG (or whatever we call them now)?

Because that's not open source. That's free labor suicide.

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2. shikon+D2[view] [source] 2023-12-28 04:17:24
>>echelo+(OP)
Even then, either you discriminate, or you don’t.

And they’re not really the worst one could think of, as FAANG thenselves contribute a lot to open source software.

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3. sixstr+Q4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-28 04:41:39
>>shikon+D2
> FAANG thenselves contribute a lot to open source software

The salaries of the people who work on those projects are paid by the revenue streams generated by the companies.

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4. avhon1+Y4[view] [source] 2023-12-28 04:42:38
>>echelo+(OP)
Not the OP you're replying to, but yes, if I choose to open-source my intellectual property, then I definitely expect FAANGs to be able to use it for free. That's what I want when I license my code open-source or public-domain. I'm allowed to give my labor away for free, and I choose to do so.
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5. saagar+hd[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-28 06:21:41
>>sixstr+Q4
How else would it work?
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6. antonv+Vf[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-28 06:57:54
>>saagar+hd
...in a capitalist society. There are systems other than capitalism.
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7. antonv+yg[view] [source] 2023-12-28 07:05:45
>>echelo+(OP)
By the standard definition, "open source" doesn't exclude FAANG companies from using it in those ways.

You'd need to provide and justify some alternative definition of what open source should be to make your final claim make any sense. As it stands, your claim "that's not open source" doesn't match the reality.

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8. bawolf+Bg[view] [source] 2023-12-28 07:06:30
>>echelo+(OP)
Yes obviously. That is the entire point.
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9. bawolf+Og[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-28 07:09:57
>>antonv+yg
Not just that, the current definition explicitly says you cannot exclude any group. https://opensource.org/osd/ (section 5)

Its not like this is a loop hole. Not descriminating against anyone (including faang) is literally the point.

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10. sixstr+gt[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-28 09:26:43
>>antonv+Vf
What is an example of a noncapitalist society with an open source software scene?
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11. antonv+o93[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-29 05:09:51
>>sixstr+gt
What is it that you want to know? The point is that in a society with a more socialist or communist approach, "ownership" of software can work entirely differently.

What the FSF calls "free software" and what OSI calls "open source" are essentially mechanisms for implementing such approaches in a capitalist context, in which the abstraction of "intellectual property" is enshrined in law.

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12. sixstr+qZ5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-30 04:36:20
>>antonv+o93
I want to know how a socialist or communist approach can produce a viable open source ecosystem, and I want to learn about it by studying the actual results of an existing system, not the whim of theory.
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13. antonv+OPa[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-01 12:49:04
>>sixstr+qZ5
If you want to make progress and improve things, but you limit yourself only to things that have existing examples, you're absolutely guaranteeing that you can only go backwards.
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