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1. andy99+Vi1[view] [source] 2023-12-28 00:21:37
>>gnufx+(OP)
I want my worst enemies to be able to use my open source code against me and my competitors to be able to re-purpose it to try and drive me out of business. When I want to write code with different restrictions, I do that and I don't call it open source.

If people want to create and promote their own utopian models that's their business. Personally I'd want nothing to do with that, and it definitely should not be called open source, just like any restrictive license.

On another note, a transaction is a meeting of the minds. When most people release open source software they want nothing in return and are owed nothing. That's how I feel about it. People who think they are owed something are like beggars who do miming or some such in the street and call it work. Nobody asked for it, some find it interesting and you might be able to guilt someone into paying but they didn't hire you and don't owe you anything. You can just not do it, it's only a job if you're explicitly hired.

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2. echelo+2E1[view] [source] 2023-12-28 03:51:56
>>andy99+Vi1
> I want my worst enemies to be able to use my open source code against me and my competitors to be able to re-purpose it to try and drive me out of business.

Even when it's the ten trillion dollar combined market cap of FAANG (or whatever we call them now)?

Because that's not open source. That's free labor suicide.

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3. shikon+FG1[view] [source] 2023-12-28 04:17:24
>>echelo+2E1
Even then, either you discriminate, or you don’t.

And they’re not really the worst one could think of, as FAANG thenselves contribute a lot to open source software.

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4. sixstr+SI1[view] [source] 2023-12-28 04:41:39
>>shikon+FG1
> FAANG thenselves contribute a lot to open source software

The salaries of the people who work on those projects are paid by the revenue streams generated by the companies.

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5. saagar+jR1[view] [source] 2023-12-28 06:21:41
>>sixstr+SI1
How else would it work?
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6. antonv+XT1[view] [source] 2023-12-28 06:57:54
>>saagar+jR1
...in a capitalist society. There are systems other than capitalism.
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7. sixstr+i72[view] [source] 2023-12-28 09:26:43
>>antonv+XT1
What is an example of a noncapitalist society with an open source software scene?
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8. antonv+qN4[view] [source] 2023-12-29 05:09:51
>>sixstr+i72
What is it that you want to know? The point is that in a society with a more socialist or communist approach, "ownership" of software can work entirely differently.

What the FSF calls "free software" and what OSI calls "open source" are essentially mechanisms for implementing such approaches in a capitalist context, in which the abstraction of "intellectual property" is enshrined in law.

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9. sixstr+sD7[view] [source] 2023-12-30 04:36:20
>>antonv+qN4
I want to know how a socialist or communist approach can produce a viable open source ecosystem, and I want to learn about it by studying the actual results of an existing system, not the whim of theory.
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10. antonv+Qtc[view] [source] 2024-01-01 12:49:04
>>sixstr+sD7
If you want to make progress and improve things, but you limit yourself only to things that have existing examples, you're absolutely guaranteeing that you can only go backwards.
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