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1. jacque+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-27 12:42:31
The growth mindset is utterly idiotic. It presumes an endlessly growing market with endless resources and endless GDP growth. Everything has a natural growth stop: it's called adulthood. And after that you are supposed to take responsibility and act your age, rather than that you keep on demanding more like some angry toddler.
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2. refurb+fg[view] [source] 2023-11-27 14:33:09
>>jacque+(OP)
Why is that idiotic? GDP has no ceiling to it.

And I don’t know about you, but I’m kind of glad the healthcare industry has a growth mindset that “what we have is good enough”.

It’s how humans advance. If cavemen thought “well this is good enough” well, we’d still be living in caves.

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3. jacque+Zo[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-27 15:14:31
>>refurb+fg
> GDP has no ceiling to it.

Where did I say that?

> And I don’t know about you, but I’m kind of glad the healthcare industry has a growth mindset that “what we have is good enough”.

No, you really don't know about me. But there is plenty of innovation in healthcare, and not all of it is super costly (though some of it is). Like every other industry it is a confusing mixture of regulatory capture, people that really care, people that only care about their income stream or bottom line and people that wished they could do even better. The difference between say 'big pharma' and your average nurse of doctor is massive and to lump them all into one giant heap is not very productive.

> It’s how humans advance. If cavemen thought “well this is good enough” well, we’d still be living in caves.

The 'this is good enough' is a strawman. There are plenty of things that really are good enough, and which have turned into pathways that are borderline extortionist.

And there is plenty of innovation that is not cancerous.

But do deny the reality that short term stock market driven goals of eternal growth are incompatible with a sustainable and healthy society is a non-starter for me, it is so incredibly clear that to ignore it is almost wilful at this stage. "After me, the deluge".

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4. pixl97+fv[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-27 15:42:01
>>refurb+fg
If breathing 21% oxygen is good for you, then breathing 100% oxygen is better!...

The problem with reality is it is not clean or simple. For example having chlorinated water keeps you from getting any number of terrible diseases when you get a drink. At the same time it's a deadly chemical that takes huge amounts of industrial processing to make, and if not treated right is a source of pollution.

Not any different then the 'forever chemicals' we've made. They were highly stable and did their jobs well. They also are terrible cancer causing bioaccumulators that have caused tons of misery.

Open ended problems do not have simple solutions. They have trade offs. It's a good idea to fully understand the trades you're making.

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5. refurb+HK2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-28 04:05:48
>>jacque+Zo
But do deny the reality that short term stock market driven goals of eternal growth are incompatible with a sustainable and healthy society is a non-starter for me, it is so incredibly clear that to ignore it is almost wilful at this stage. "After me, the deluge".

Yet here we are - with the most prosperous and healthy nations all based on a model around, what you call, “short-term stock market driven goals”.

May you have give an example? Because I look around and don’t see what you see.

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6. jacque+qLc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-30 23:23:32
>>refurb+HK2
That's because we're looking at different things. I'm looking at the state of the world in general, the number of people that have to deal with the fall out of all that wealth in terms of climate and pollution. That welfare comes with a massive cost.
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