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1. aljgz+u4[view] [source] 2023-11-27 08:23:53
>>anothe+(OP)
The growth mindset is incredible for expanding when your product is in its early ages. But there should be a "sustain" mindset at some point. First you push to grow the market, or your market share. When returns on your efforts become diminishing, you push to improve how much you earn of each customer/each sale. At some point there should be a mindset that our company is worth X dollars, and we should sustain that.

What happens instead is companies keep rewarding executives by increases in revenue, they keep rewarding product managers similarly, and product managers selectively choose metrics that optimize immediate revenue, at the expense of brand loyalty. This is happening to almost every tech company, and the exceptions are rare gems.

In android, if I click on a link in facebook messenger that takes me to facebook, the back button takes me "back" to facebook's home screen instead of to the messenger app. Tapping back button again does nothing. I have to switch back to messenger manually. That's 5-6 taps/swipes instead of 1, because a product manager's bonus in FB depends on how well they beg for more engagement. As a result, I rarely use any of these products. I used to spend some time in Instagram/FB. I close LinkedIn immediately after an important interaction for similar reasons.

I made a mistake of buying another Samsung product after years. Never again. I made a mistake of buying another HP product, never again. I might still consider Dell only because of how well they supported me with their monitor flicker.

None of these products have a defect that's caused by poor design, programming, or manufacturing. They all suffer from growth-obsessed mindset.

Brother is what it is, not because of lack of innovation, but because of deliberate evasion of short-sighted greed.

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2. jbreck+mb[view] [source] 2023-11-27 09:10:54
>>aljgz+u4
If you think about it the growth mindset is quite psychotic.

Imagine a human being with a growth mindset. He optimises his bodyfat to the point of anorexia. He optimises conversations by extracting knowledge then moving on. His diet is pure protein shakes and broccoli. Every morning he does six Leetcode Hards. If you met him you'd think he was deranged.

This growth ideology means every company we interact with behaves like Bob. Soon enough this Bobism filters into people through the labour market and professional values. (Like the Leetcoders). It's alienating and the only purpose it serves is an investment based economy with unclear benefits to society at large

It creates a very strange world where we have computers acting like people and people acting like machines

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3. jacque+HB[view] [source] 2023-11-27 12:42:31
>>jbreck+mb
The growth mindset is utterly idiotic. It presumes an endlessly growing market with endless resources and endless GDP growth. Everything has a natural growth stop: it's called adulthood. And after that you are supposed to take responsibility and act your age, rather than that you keep on demanding more like some angry toddler.
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4. refurb+WR[view] [source] 2023-11-27 14:33:09
>>jacque+HB
Why is that idiotic? GDP has no ceiling to it.

And I don’t know about you, but I’m kind of glad the healthcare industry has a growth mindset that “what we have is good enough”.

It’s how humans advance. If cavemen thought “well this is good enough” well, we’d still be living in caves.

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5. jacque+G01[view] [source] 2023-11-27 15:14:31
>>refurb+WR
> GDP has no ceiling to it.

Where did I say that?

> And I don’t know about you, but I’m kind of glad the healthcare industry has a growth mindset that “what we have is good enough”.

No, you really don't know about me. But there is plenty of innovation in healthcare, and not all of it is super costly (though some of it is). Like every other industry it is a confusing mixture of regulatory capture, people that really care, people that only care about their income stream or bottom line and people that wished they could do even better. The difference between say 'big pharma' and your average nurse of doctor is massive and to lump them all into one giant heap is not very productive.

> It’s how humans advance. If cavemen thought “well this is good enough” well, we’d still be living in caves.

The 'this is good enough' is a strawman. There are plenty of things that really are good enough, and which have turned into pathways that are borderline extortionist.

And there is plenty of innovation that is not cancerous.

But do deny the reality that short term stock market driven goals of eternal growth are incompatible with a sustainable and healthy society is a non-starter for me, it is so incredibly clear that to ignore it is almost wilful at this stage. "After me, the deluge".

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6. refurb+om3[view] [source] 2023-11-28 04:05:48
>>jacque+G01
But do deny the reality that short term stock market driven goals of eternal growth are incompatible with a sustainable and healthy society is a non-starter for me, it is so incredibly clear that to ignore it is almost wilful at this stage. "After me, the deluge".

Yet here we are - with the most prosperous and healthy nations all based on a model around, what you call, “short-term stock market driven goals”.

May you have give an example? Because I look around and don’t see what you see.

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7. jacque+7nd[view] [source] 2023-11-30 23:23:32
>>refurb+om3
That's because we're looking at different things. I'm looking at the state of the world in general, the number of people that have to deal with the fall out of all that wealth in terms of climate and pollution. That welfare comes with a massive cost.
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