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1. nmfish+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-22 12:03:37
At least Google lasted a good 10 years or so before succumbing to the vagaries of the public stock market. OpenAI lasted, what, 3 years?

Not to mention Google never paraded itself around as a non-profit acting in the best interests of humanity.

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2. roland+p5[view] [source] 2023-11-22 12:44:48
>>nmfish+(OP)
I would classify their mission "to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful" as some light parading acting in the best interests of humanity.
3. bad_us+58[view] [source] 2023-11-22 13:03:28
>>nmfish+(OP)
> Google never paraded itself around as a non-profit acting in the best interests of humanity.

Just throwing this out there, but maybe … non-profits shouldn't be considered holier-than-thou, just because they are “non-profits”.

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4. Turing+6h[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-22 13:56:11
>>bad_us+58
Maybe, but their actions should definitely not be oriented to decide how to maximize their profit.
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5. bad_us+hm[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-22 14:18:41
>>Turing+6h
What's wrong with profit and wanting to maximize it?

Profit is now a dirty word somehow, the idea being that it's a perverse incentive. I don't believe that's true. Profit is the one incentive businesses have that's candid and the least perverse. All other incentives lead to concentrating power without being beholden to the free market, via monopoly, regulations, etc.

The most ethically defensible LLM-related work right now is done by Meta/Facebook, because their work is more open to scrutiny. And the non-profit AI doomers are against developing LLMs in the open. Don't you find it curious?

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6. caddem+5w[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-22 14:58:40
>>bad_us+hm
The problem is moreso trying to maximize profit after claiming to be a nonprofit. Profit can be a good driving force but it is not perfect. We have nonprofits for a reason, and it is shameful to take advantage of this if you are not functionally a nonprofit. There would be nothing wrong with OpenAI trying to maximize profits if they were a typical company.
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7. saalwe+vw[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-22 15:00:07
>>bad_us+hm
Because non-profit?

There's nothing wrong with running a perfectly good car wash, but you shouldn't be shocked if people are mad when you advertise it as an all you can eat buffet and they come out soaked and hungry.

8. deckar+m91[view] [source] 2023-11-22 17:53:52
>>nmfish+(OP)
> Google lasted a good 10 years

not sure what event you're thinking of, but Google was a public company before 10 years and they started their first ad program just barely more than a year after forming as a company in 1998.

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9. nmfish+nF2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-23 02:12:28
>>deckar+m91
I have no objection to companies[0] making money. It's discarding the philosophical foundations of the company to prioritize quarterly earnings that is offensive.

I consider Google to have been a reasonably benevolent corporate citizen for a good time after they were listed (compare with, say, Microsoft, who were the stereotypical "bad company" throughout the 90s). It was probably around the time of the Google+ failure that things slowly started to go downhill.

[0] a non-profit supposedly acting in the best interests of humanity, though? That's insidious.

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