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Many of OpenAIs most talented people left to start Anthropic. They have billions in funding and have not yet got particularly close to GPT-4.

I think that illustrates it will be a be a big uphill battle for any new entrant no matter how well funded or resourced.

>>tempus+(OP)
The parent post is literally true yet keeps getting downvoted — what a mess HN has become, too

>>tempus+(OP)
noob ai here, but is it gonna be challenging because of something intrinsic to gpt4? or about collecting equivalent amount of data to train a comparable model. Because I see Facebook releasing their models down to the weights

>>tempus+(OP)
And the new CEO was a consultant to Anthropic, apparently. I'm only grateful I don't have to make sense of this drama.

>>tempus+(OP)
Speak for yourself, I cancelled my GPT4 subscription because I prefer using Claude 2.

>>tempus+(OP)
Anthropic was formed for nearly the same reason Sam was fired. To slow the things down. OpenAI takes MS funding and Anthropic is formed. OpenAI pace goes a little above the comfort level of Ilya and Sam is fired. MS picks up Sam and will try to outpace openAI while openAI will put brakes on itself.

>>tempus+(OP)
> They have billions in funding and have not yet got particularly close to GPT-4.

Wrong. Claude 2 beats GPT-4 is some benchmarks (e.g. HumanEval Python coding; math; analytical writing.). It's close enough. It doesn't matter who holds the crown this week, Anthropic definitely has ingredients to make GPT-4-class model.

This is like comparing similar cars from BMW and Toyota, finding few specific parameters where BMW has a higher score and saying "You see? Toyota engineering is nowhere close".

This actually shows Sam Altman's true contribution: the free version of ChatGPT is undeniably worse than Bing Chat, and yet ChatGPT is a bigger brand.

(And it might be a deliberate choice to save money for Claude 3 instead instead of making Claude 2 absolutely SotA.)

>>leoh+o1
-2 points and a truly shifting +/- situation

@dang — any plans to do anything here

I mean not like you have to but yeah I can think of some stuff that could make this better probably (or at minimum experiments that could be run)

Also not on this post but in general I mean

>>leoh+o1
-2 points and a truly shifting +/- situation

@dang — any plans to do anything here

I mean not like you have to but yeah I can think of some stuff that could make this better probably

I mean not on this post in particular but as an HN issue if we agree it’s kind of degrading the experience and there are indeed likely fixes