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Honest question:

Other than 1) Microsoft and 2) anyone building a product with the OpenAI api 3) OpenAI employees…

…is OpenAI crashing a burning a big deal?

This seems rather over hyped… everyone has an opinion, everyone cares because OpenAI has a high profile.

…but really, alternatives to chatGPT exist now, and most people will be, really… not affected by this in any meaningful degree.

Isn’t breaking the strangle hold on AI what everyone wanted with open source models last week?

Feels a lot like Twitter; people said it would crash and burn, but really, it’s just a bit rubbish now, and a bunch of other competitors have turned up.

…and competitive pressure is good right?

I predict: what happens will look a lot like what happened with Twitter.

Ultimately, most people will not be affected.

The people who care will leave.

New competitors will turn up.

Life goes on…

>>wokwok+(OP)
In Twitter's case that's the main product getting worse without any of the wannabes getting that much traction.

>>wokwok+(OP)
Totally agree. It seems like OpenAI is ahead of the curve, but even some free open source projects have become really good. I am no expert, so take this with a grain of salt. It seems OpenAI has a lead, but only of a few months or so and others are racing behind. I guess it really sucks if you built something that relies on the OpenAI api, but even then one could replace the api layer.

>>wokwok+(OP)
In the "grand scheme of things", no, it's probably not a big deal. I think in the short term, I think it has the potential to set back the space a few months, as a lot of the ecosystem is still oriented around OpenAI (as they are the best at productivizing). I think that even extends to many community/open source models, which are commonly trained against GPT-4.

If they are able to retain enough people to properly release a GPT-5 with significant performance increases in a few months, I would assume that the effect is less pronounced.

>>emoden+44
It's different. People spend YEARS building their social media presence, following, and algorithmic advantage.

Jumping to a different platform is a huge sacrifice for power users - those who create content and value.

None of this is a factor here. ChatGPT is just a tool, like an online image resizer.

>>wokwok+(OP)
I'll be probably downvoted to hell, but, I think what is happening is healthy to the ecosystem.

Pine forests are known to grow by fires. Fires scatter the seeds around, the area which is unsustainable is reset, new forests are seeded, life goes on.

This is what we're seeing, too. A very dense forest has burned, seeds are scattered, new, smaller forests will start growing.

Things will slow down a bit, bit accelerate again in a more healthy manner. We'll see competition, and different approaches to training and sharing models.

Life will go on...

>>_fizz_+a4
For coding, at least, nothing out there is even close to as good as GPT-4. Not Claude, not Grok, and certainly not llama.

>>_fizz_+a4
None of the open source stuff even comes close to GPT4, I’ve tried them repeatedly.

>>wokwok+(OP)
In time of Windows, around let's say mid 1990s, people thought Windows is irreplaceable.

Now turns out Linux is the workhorse everywhere for running workloads or consuming content. Almost every programming language (other than Microsoft's own SDKs) gets developed on Linux, has first class support for Linux and Windows is always an afterthought.

It has gone to that extent that to lure developers, Microsoft has to embed a Lunux in a virtual machine on Windows called WSL.

Local inference is going to get cheaper and affordable and that's for sure.

New models would also emerge.

So OpenAI doesn't seem to have an IP that can withstand all that IMHO.

>>Comple+p5
For coding tasks (without API access), especially in a conversational setting, Phind has been by far the best one for me. I sometimes still compare it to ChatGPT with GPT-4, but it almost always comes out on top (not missing the point of the questions + amount of required editing for integration into codebase), and it does produce the answers a lot faster.

>>emoden+44
IMHO Twitter drove its own need and now that it has pretty much gone no one wants the hassle of serving a new master.

>>wg0+Z6
Linux isn't the workhorse in any business that isn't tech based. The dev bubble here is pretty strong. I've done IT for a couple MSPs now so I've seen 100s of different tech stacks. No one uses Linux for anything. ESXi for the hypervisors, various version of Windows server, and M365 for everything else. Graphics/marketing uses Macs sometimes but other than that, it's all Windows/MS. Seeing a Linux VM is exceeding rare and usually runs some bespoke software that no one knows how to service or support. Yes, Linux is much more viable these days, but it's not even close to being mainstream.

>>bongod+P8
I think GP is referring to servers. Linux may still be tiny on the desktop, but it dominates servers (and mobile)

>>bongod+P8
So I’m guessing you have never heard of AWS then…

>>_fizz_+a4
I mean, OpenAI aren't just going to close up shop. I would very much doubt they're just going to turn off their APIs. I would just keep building and if you have to swap LLMs at some point then do so.

>>bongod+P8
True. You'll find Windows XP based terminals on many industrial machines. Its pervasive but outnumbered where "running the workloads" comea into picture.

The dev bubble is not that small. This very website is I'm pretty sure not served from Windows.

Other than stack overflow or few handful of exceptions, very little is actually served from Windows if I'm not wrong.

>>wokwok+(OP)
I've not found anything that really competes with GPT4, and that's been released for some time.

> Isn’t breaking the strangle hold on AI what everyone wanted with open source models last week?

By other things getting better, not by stalling the leader of the pack.

>>Occams+Xd
That’s my fear is that they will phase out Plus subscriptions and shut down APIs because the folks that will be left want nothing to do with product.

>>bayind+m5
That's a very good analogy.

>>xigenc+Rc
I'm not talking about cloud. I'm talking about businesses with 1-300 employees. Most of them I've seen use cloud for backups or a few services. Most business stuff is on prem. File storage is probably 50/50 on prem / SharePoint / Google Drive. In the hundreds of business I've worked with, I could count on my 2 hands the number of Linux server I've seen. Most of the stuff they're running doesn't even support Linux.

>>wg0+Jn
I'm consulting for a company with 5000 servers right now, and maybe a dozen run Linux. They've still got a few hundred Server 2008 boxes running with EoL licenses. We looked into migrating to Linux but it's not an option.

>>flarg+W7
I don't really get the social media landscape. Myspace transitioning to Facebook had a pretty clear direction; people moved on from one thing to the other. These days it feels like people are just... getting out of the habit of using certain kinds of media.

>>bongod+8P1
The organizations that run the most servers, at the largest scale, run Linux. It makes better operational and financial sense. But sure. The Mom and Pops of America still use Windows. (Who ever got fired for buying Windows?) Yet the backbone of the modern Internet, cloud and web, is built on open-sourced software.

>>xigenc+pG3
Mom and pop is most of the workforce which is what this site seems to forget. Most people don't work for a fortune 500 company.

>>bongod+fr4
Yeah, that is a fair reality check for us terminal junkies.