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1. shrimp+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-19 22:30:56
> He is instrumental in the research but he shouldn't be running the business.

To push back on this a bit. If two yet unknown people, "an Altman" and "an Ilya", both applied to YC to start a company that builds and sells AI models, guess who would get funded. Not the guy who can't build AI models.

I find it bizarre that the guy who can build is suddenly the villain-nerd who can't be trusted, and the salesman is the hero, in this community.

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2. fidotr+U3[view] [source] 2023-11-19 22:51:14
>>shrimp+(OP)
There has been a huge cultural shift in tech towards devaluing builders and (excessively) emphasising the roles of operations and sales.

In reality you need all of them, and they are all separate talents, but things are clearly unbalanced.

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3. shrimp+54[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 22:52:31
>>fidotr+U3
It's how whole industrial sectors become enshittified.
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4. Walter+g4[view] [source] 2023-11-19 22:53:40
>>shrimp+(OP)
IMHE at YC, I'd put my money on whichever talked a more monetizable game.
5. Tenoke+I6[view] [source] 2023-11-19 23:06:51
>>shrimp+(OP)
They'll definitely both get funded.
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6. rrdhar+sf[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 00:00:07
>>shrimp+54
The word enshittified has officially been enshittified.
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7. ethbr1+Ot[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 01:29:13
>>rrdhar+sf
Enshittiception
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8. null0p+4v[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 01:39:08
>>fidotr+U3
Right, I’ve noticed this trend too. It sucks and I find myself frustrated by how easily people go along with smooth talking sales/business types and allow them to take over positions of power. The truth is that builders can exist and build amazing products without the sales guys, but the sales guys would have absolutely nothing without the builders. I’d even go a step further and say that the best products are built by solo or small teams of impassioned builders and as soon as sales/business types get involved things start tending towards enshittification.
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