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1. d_sem+43[view] [source] 2023-11-19 20:48:31
>>himara+(OP)
It's worth knowing the specific reasons why the board fired Sam before assessing the value of this news. Too much rumor and not enough evidence.
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2. brooks+z4[view] [source] 2023-11-19 20:55:43
>>d_sem+43
It seems clear that there weren’t specific reasons, just a kind of final straw in the product announcements that made the board realize how far from the original mission the company had drifted.

Turning it into an emergency and surprise coup with innuendo of wrongdoing looks to have been a huge mistake, and may result in total loss of control where a more measured course correction could have succeeded.

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3. itchy_+p6[view] [source] 2023-11-19 21:03:07
>>brooks+z4
Ilya is the stereotypical genius mind that is extremely passionate yet disconnected from the real world. He got way too worked up about abstract issues, failed to see the bigger picture and had a meltdown that other board members took seriously because he's a cofounder. He is instrumental in the research but he shouldn't be running the business.
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4. shrimp+Yo[view] [source] 2023-11-19 22:30:56
>>itchy_+p6
> He is instrumental in the research but he shouldn't be running the business.

To push back on this a bit. If two yet unknown people, "an Altman" and "an Ilya", both applied to YC to start a company that builds and sells AI models, guess who would get funded. Not the guy who can't build AI models.

I find it bizarre that the guy who can build is suddenly the villain-nerd who can't be trusted, and the salesman is the hero, in this community.

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5. fidotr+Ss[view] [source] 2023-11-19 22:51:14
>>shrimp+Yo
There has been a huge cultural shift in tech towards devaluing builders and (excessively) emphasising the roles of operations and sales.

In reality you need all of them, and they are all separate talents, but things are clearly unbalanced.

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6. null0p+2U[view] [source] 2023-11-20 01:39:08
>>fidotr+Ss
Right, I’ve noticed this trend too. It sucks and I find myself frustrated by how easily people go along with smooth talking sales/business types and allow them to take over positions of power. The truth is that builders can exist and build amazing products without the sales guys, but the sales guys would have absolutely nothing without the builders. I’d even go a step further and say that the best products are built by solo or small teams of impassioned builders and as soon as sales/business types get involved things start tending towards enshittification.
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