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1. emptys+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-19 14:08:39
Highly unethical would be throwing the CEO of the division keeping the lights on under a bus with zero regard for the consequences.

The non-profit board acted entirely against the interest of OpenAI at large. Disclosing an intention to terminate the highest profile member of their company to the company paying for their compute, Microsoft, is not only the ethical choice, it's the responsible one.

Members of the non-profit board acted recklessly and irresponsibly. They'll be paying for that choice for decades following, as they should. They're lucky if they don't get hit with a lawsuit for defamation on their way out.

Given how poorly Mozilla's non-profit board has steered Mozilla over the last decade and now this childish tantrum by a man raised on the fanfiction of Yudkowsky together with board larpers, I wouldn't be surprised if this snafu sees the end of this type of governance structure in tech. These people of the board have absolutely no business being in business.

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2. soufro+y1[view] [source] 2023-11-19 14:20:26
>>emptys+(OP)
Except it's not a "division" but an independent entity.

And if that corporate structure does not suit Satya Nadella, I would say he's the one to blam for having invested 10B in the first place.

Being angry at a decision he had no right to be consulted on does not allow him to meddle in the governance of its co-shareholder.

Or then we can all accept together that corruption, greed and whateverthefuckism is the reality of ethics in the tech industry.

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3. l33tma+L2[view] [source] 2023-11-19 14:29:42
>>emptys+(OP)
As a non-profit with the charter they have, their board was not supposed to be in business (at this scale). I guess this is where all of this diverged, a while ago now..
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4. emptys+f3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 14:32:37
>>soufro+y1
> Except it's not a "division" but an independent entity.

This is entirely false. If it were true, the actions of today would not have come to pass. My use of the word "division" is entirely in-line with use of that term at large. Here's the Wikipedia article, which as of this writing uses the same language I have. [1]

If you can't get the fundamentals right, I don't know how you can make the claims you're making credibly. Much like the board, you're making assertions that aren't credibly backed.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_of_Sam_Altman

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5. manyos+T3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 14:38:04
>>emptys+f3
Hanging your hat on quibbles over division vs subsidiary eh? That's quite a strident rebuttal based on a quibble.
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6. emptys+I4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 14:43:23
>>manyos+T3
I'm happy to defend any of my points. The commenter took issue with one. I responded to it. If you have something more to add, please critique what you disagree with.

I will say that using falsehoods as an attack doesn't put the rest of the commenter's points into particularly good light.

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7. manyos+d9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 15:10:23
>>emptys+I4
I don't understand why you think what the board of the non-profit did was unethical. Your presupposition seems to be that the non-profit has a duty to make money - aka "keep the lights on" but it is a "non-profit" precisely because it does not have that duty. The duty of the board is to make sure the non-profit adheres to its charter. If it can't do that and keep the lights on at the same time, then so much worse for the lights.
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