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>If Altman gets to return, it’s the goodbye of AI ethics

Any evidence he's unethical? Or just dislike him?

He actually seems to have done more practical stuff like experimenting with UBI, to mitigate AI risk than most people.

>>tim333+(OP)
That “experimenting with UBI” is indistinguishable from any other cryptocurrency scam. It took from people, and he described it with the words that define a Ponzi scheme. That project isn’t “mitigating AI risk”, it pivoted to distinguish between AI and human generated content, a problem created by his other company, by continuing to collect your biometric data.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoi...

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-...

>>tim333+(OP)
I think the UBI experiment was quite unethical in many ways and I believe it was Altman's brainchild.

https://www.businessinsider.nl/y-combinator-basic-income-tes...

>>latexr+z3
Yes, that's exactly the one I was thinking about when unethical came up in this context. And I've been saying that from day #1, the way that is structured is just not ok.

>>tim333+(OP)
It's not even necessary that he is unethical. The fact is that the structure of openai is designed so that the board has unilateral power to do extreme shit for their cause. And if they can't successfully do extreme shit without the company falling apart and the money/charisma swaying all the people there's no hope for this nonprofit ai benefiting humanity to have ever worked--which you might say is obvious but this was their mission

>>jacque+V3
Okay I'll bite, what's so unethical about giving people money?

>>latexr+z3
He also did cash in Oakland https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/22/silicon-v...

I signed up from Worldcoin and have been given over $100 which I changed to real money and think it's rather nice of them. They never asked me for anything apart from the eye id check. I didn't have to give my name or anything like that. Is that indistinguishable from any other cryptocurrency scam? I'm not aware of one the same. If you know of another crypto that wants to give me $100 do let me know. If anything I think it's more like VCs paying for your Uber in the early days. It's VC money basically at the moment, with I think they idea they can change it into a global payment network or something like that. As to whether that will work, I'm a bit skeptical but who knows.

>>Hasnep+aj
Because without a long term plan you are just setting them up for a really hard fall. It is experimenting on people where if the experiment goes wrong you're high and dry in your mansion and they get to be pushed back into something probably worse than where they were before. It ties into the capitalist idea that money can solve all problems whereas in many cases these are healthcare and education issues first and foremost. You don't do that without really thinking through the possible consequences and to ensure that no matter what the outcome it is always going to be a net positive for the people that you decide to experiment on.

>>tim333+uj
> They never asked me for anything apart from the eye id check.

You say that like it’s nothing, but your biometric data has value.

> Is that indistinguishable from any other cryptocurrency scam?

You’re ignoring all the other people who didn’t get paid (linked articles).

Sam himself described the plan with the same words you’d describe a Ponzi scheme.

>>38326957

> If you know of another crypto that wants to give me $100 do let me know.

I knew of several. I don’t remember names but do remember one that was a casino and one that was tidied to open-source contributions. They gave initial coins to get you in the door.

>>jacque+ik
Let me see if I understand, is your argument that you shouldn't give people money because they might make irresponsible financial choices?