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1. gtirlo+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-19 03:26:58
Such as?
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2. tsunam+g1[view] [source] 2023-11-19 03:36:10
>>gtirlo+(OP)
Talent following

Financial backing to make a competitor

Internal knowledge of roadmap

Media focus

Alignment with the 2nd most valuable company on the planet.

I could go on. I strongly dislike the guy but you need to recognize table stakes even in your enemy. Or you’ll be like Ilya. A naive fool who is gonna get wrecked thinking doing the “right” thing in his own mind will automatically means you win.

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3. cthalu+N2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 03:45:18
>>tsunam+g1
From everything we can see Ilya appears to be a true believer.

A true believer is going to act along the axis of their beliefs even if it ultimately results in failure. That doesn't necessarily make them naive or fools - many times they will fully understand that their actions have little or no chance of success. They've just prioritized a different value of you.

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4. tsunam+E3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 03:50:16
>>cthalu+N2
Agree but I see that as potato potahto. Failure by a different name with imaginary wins by the delusional ethicist.
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5. jacque+X3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 03:52:23
>>cthalu+N2
That's fair, but by messing this up OpenAI may well end up without any oversight at all. Which isn't the optimum outcome by a long shot and that's what you get for going off half-cocked about a thing like this.
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6. hansSj+Zn[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 06:54:17
>>tsunam+g1
Ilya IS the talent. They were desperate to hire him.
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7. tsunam+dR1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 18:02:32
>>hansSj+Zn
I’ve been in his shoes at a smaller level. Once the company believes they have a stable sellable product they have no interest in any new breakthroughs. His table stakes are gone and Microsoft probably believes gpt4 turbo will be billable for years to come.
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8. Sebb76+Oc3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 01:05:06
>>jacque+X3
Assuming he sees OpenAI spinning out of control either way, it's probably better to have tried to change it and, if it fails, to at least not be part of the problem.
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9. jacque+0z3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 04:04:05
>>Sebb76+Oc3
I think that could have been done more graciously. And there are other drivers still on the table other than good governance, a good old palace revolution in disguise is definitely not ruled out at this point.
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