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1. cthalu+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-19 03:45:18
From everything we can see Ilya appears to be a true believer.

A true believer is going to act along the axis of their beliefs even if it ultimately results in failure. That doesn't necessarily make them naive or fools - many times they will fully understand that their actions have little or no chance of success. They've just prioritized a different value of you.

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2. tsunam+R[view] [source] 2023-11-19 03:50:16
>>cthalu+(OP)
Agree but I see that as potato potahto. Failure by a different name with imaginary wins by the delusional ethicist.
3. jacque+a1[view] [source] 2023-11-19 03:52:23
>>cthalu+(OP)
That's fair, but by messing this up OpenAI may well end up without any oversight at all. Which isn't the optimum outcome by a long shot and that's what you get for going off half-cocked about a thing like this.
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4. Sebb76+1a3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 01:05:06
>>jacque+a1
Assuming he sees OpenAI spinning out of control either way, it's probably better to have tried to change it and, if it fails, to at least not be part of the problem.
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5. jacque+dw3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-20 04:04:05
>>Sebb76+1a3
I think that could have been done more graciously. And there are other drivers still on the table other than good governance, a good old palace revolution in disguise is definitely not ruled out at this point.
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