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Satya is “furious.” What’s reasonable about pissing off a guy who can pull the plug? I don’t think it’s definitionally non-obvious whether to take that risk.

>>peyton+(OP)
Yeah, he can be furious all he wants but he is not getting the OpenAI he used to have back. It’s either Sam + Greg now or Ilya. All 3 are irreplaceable.

>>peyton+(OP)
Last I checked he only had 49% of the company.

I also feel, that they can patch relationships, Satya may be upset now but will he continue to be upset on Monday?

It needs to play out more before we know, I think. They need to pitch their plan to outside stakeholders now

>>no_wiz+O6
Which other company will give them the infra/compute they need when 49% of the profitable part has been eaten up?

>>discor+Lb
And how will they survive if Microsoft/SamAi ends up building a competitor ?

Microsoft could run the entire business as a loss just to attract developers to Azure.

>>threes+7d
That assumes Altman competitor can outpace and outclass OpenAI and maybe it can. I know Anthropic came about from earlier disagreements and that didn’t slow OpenAIs innovation pace, certainly.

Everything just assumes that without Sam they’re worse off.

But what if, my gosh, they aren’t? What if innovation accelerates?

My point being is it’s useless to speculate that Altman starting a new business competing with OpenAI will be successful inherently. There’s more to it than that

>>discor+Lb
First it remains to be seen if Microsoft is going to do something drastic.

I also suspect they could very well secure this kind of agreement from another company that would be happy to play ball for access to OpenAI tech. Perhaps Amazon for instance, who’s AI attempts since Alexa have been lackluster

>>no_wiz+Ze
> Everything just assumes that without Sam they’re worse off.

But it's not just him is it?

>>qwytw+Ki
Sure, I suppose not, but they aren’t losing everyone en masse. Simply Altman supporters so far.

I think a wait and see approach is better. I think we had some inner politics spill public because Altman needs to the public pressure to get his job back, if I was speculating

>>no_wiz+Ze
> Everything just assumes that without Sam they’re worse off. > > But what if, my gosh, they aren’t? What if innovation accelerates?

It reads like they ousted him because they wanted to slow the pace down, so by design and intent it would seem unlikely innovation would accelerate. Which seems doubly bad if they effectively spawned a competitor that is made up by all the other people that wanted to move faster

>>no_wiz+Ze
The thing I really want to know is how many of the people who have already quit or have threatened to quit are actual researchers working on the base model, like Sutskever.