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Ousted OpenAI CEO Makes Plans for New Artificial Intelligence Company

submitted by wolive+(OP) on 2023-11-18 23:37:55 | 76 points 47 comments
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1. some_f+h2[view] [source] 2023-11-18 23:50:44
>>wolive+(OP)
https://archive.is/4U6tu

For people who met the paywall but aren't using CloudFlare's DNS

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2. pyb+N3[view] [source] 2023-11-18 23:57:00
>>wolive+(OP)
Chances are he's just saying that as negociating leverage with OpenAI, so as perhaps getting his job back.
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3. supriy+L5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 00:05:36
>>pyb+N3
I'm not sure anyone would want to come back to a company after having been maligned as a liar in public, let alone the CEO.
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4. Ephil0+j6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 00:08:09
>>some_f+h2
Out of curiosity, why do you say the bit about not using CloudFlare's DNS? Is using it incompatible with archive.is?
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5. Maximi+B7[view] [source] 2023-11-19 00:15:31
>>wolive+(OP)
He better call it "NextAI".
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6. garden+F7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 00:15:48
>>supriy+L5
Plus now everyone is very aware of the allegations against him by his sister.
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7. wmf+C9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 00:26:25
>>Ephil0+j6
Yeah, archive.is doesn't like certain DNS resolvers.
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8. zx8080+2a[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 00:29:47
>>wmf+C9
Is it the other way around: certain DNS resolvers don't like archive.is?
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9. brucet+Ea[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 00:33:08
>>supriy+L5
And the company he comes back to would be torn in half.

How could Altman work with the leaders who ousted him, and the employees who supported it?

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10. brucet+Pa[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 00:34:05
>>Maximi+B7
"OpenishAI"
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11. blueri+8c[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 00:43:23
>>some_f+h2
Is this why I get a never ending loop of captcha prompts? I complete them, they keep coming, never proceeds to the article. I just switched to CloudFlare's DNS records about two weeks ago. I guess I'll flip back and try again!
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12. upon_d+pc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 00:45:07
>>zx8080+2a
No. The archive.is folks intentionally poison dns results for certain resolvers. They have a vendetta against cloudflare for not giving location data to them for dns lookups.

https://jarv.is/notes/cloudflare-dns-archive-is-blocked/

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13. some_f+Gc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 00:47:28
>>blueri+8c
Yeah the people running archive.today hate CloudFlare.
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14. upon_d+Sc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 00:48:17
>>blueri+8c
https://jarv.is/notes/cloudflare-dns-archive-is-blocked/
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15. Cotton+bf[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 01:02:21
>>brucet+Pa
MariaAI
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16. Jensso+Qf[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 01:08:04
>>brucet+Pa
ClopenAI, it is both open and closed!
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17. peanut+Di[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 01:30:12
>>supriy+L5
I highly doubt he could replicate the success of OpenAI with a new AI startup. Especially without Ilya. Just look at how many successful social media platforms Meta has created after Facebook (0 if you don't count the acquisitions of WhatsApp and Instagram).
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18. mekste+rj[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 01:36:41
>>Maximi+B7
LibreAI
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19. thepti+5n[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 02:00:57
>>brucet+Ea
Well obviously Sutskever would get the axe, and you’d expect at least some (if not all) of the existing board to step down so that Altman's faction had a majority.

It would be a complete capitulation to bring him back at this point.

Unclear how many of the rank and file are loyal to either faction to the point of walking away.

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20. grobam+8p[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 02:13:24
>>supriy+L5
Very telling to see how many VCs are still lining up to give money to this scumbag. This is a guy with zero technical credentials and whose most notable accomplishment was selling out the ML/AI research community.
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21. brucet+Dp[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 02:16:06
>>Jensso+Qf
Schrödinger AI, open and closed simultaneously depending on how its observed?
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22. selest+Ts[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 02:34:05
>>grobam+8p
As someone unfamiliar with him, please do elaborate or link to something I can read up on about how he sold the community out.
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23. imhere+et[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 02:35:11
>>Maximi+B7
AltAI
24. imhere+Qt[view] [source] 2023-11-19 02:40:11
>>wolive+(OP)
> OpenAI’s former president who stepped down in solidarity with Mr. Altman

From what I've read online, it was more like forced to step down.

> if i start going off, the openai board should go after me for the full value of my shares

It sure looks like the bridges are burned

> the next world-changing company

I don't know how feasible is it to build two world changing companies in the same space in the same decade

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25. stuxne+Zv[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 02:54:24
>>grobam+8p
Typical engineer hot take. Altman wields immense influence in SV. Technical brilliance is nothing without the capital (social + monetary) necessary to convert it to useful products.
26. nunez+nz[view] [source] 2023-11-19 03:15:34
>>wolive+(OP)
I never thought that the Michael Scott Paper Company maneuver would ever happen in real life, but I guess anything is possible in 2023.
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27. sillys+ZN[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 05:05:47
>>Maximi+B7
GapingAI: wide open

(This was briefly on the table for Eleuther’s name, but sadly no one but me seemed willing to march under the gaping banner.)

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28. boriss+AS[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 05:47:23
>>Maximi+B7
Closed AI
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29. edgyqu+MS[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 05:50:01
>>thepti+5n
> obviously Sutskever would get the axe,

That would be a huge mistake he’s irreplaceable. Like it or not OpenAI is his brainchild and any company without him is just another Claude/Grok/Bard and not the source of these innovations.

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30. sbierw+cT[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 05:56:32
>>imhere+Qt
>It sure looks like the bridges are burned

The joke is that Altman doesn't actually have any equity in OpenAI. He was only paid in cash, and according to OpenAI's nonprofit tax filings, just $58K a year? https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/810...

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31. ilaksh+MT[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 06:03:37
>>Maximi+B7
samai
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32. zeven7+c71[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 08:24:11
>>sbierw+cT
The speculation I've read online is that he may have also been paid in profit sharing units.
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33. bnt+491[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 08:42:41
>>edgyqu+MS
People said Sam was irreplaceable and then we wasn’t?
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34. aws_ls+fb1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 09:06:11
>>nunez+nz
lol... this was more like Dwight did a coup and Michael Scott was forced to.
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35. ivalm+kd1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 09:24:37
>>bnt+491
Sam is a salesman, ilya is the scientist. Both are important, unclear what is more important now.
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36. solark+Qr1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 11:43:13
>>Maximi+B7
ProprietaryAI
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37. eloran+hx1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 12:30:03
>>Maximi+B7
CashAI
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38. ryan69+qB1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 13:05:54
>>Maximi+B7
fIlyAI
39. belter+jP1[view] [source] 2023-11-19 14:54:55
>>wolive+(OP)
It will be called Clippy...
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40. fragme+yP1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 14:56:24
>>peanut+Di
Time will tell where Threads ends up.
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41. fragme+lU1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 15:25:24
>>some_f+Gc
I don't think there's hate. it's that serving Cloudflare users threatens the existence of archive.is, due to copyright laws in each jurisdiction
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42. 93po+GW1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 15:39:52
>>Maximi+B7
CandidAI
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43. SkyMar+x22[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 16:14:27
>>Maximi+B7
Does anyone replying not get the Steve Jobs reference here?
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44. golerg+jv2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 18:16:51
>>Maximi+B7
Sam Altman AI company
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45. zx8080+HQ2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 19:53:22
>>upon_d+pc
Wow, what a shame.
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46. gremli+Uv3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 23:17:33
>>edgyqu+MS
Claude is superior in some respects to gpt4, it writes better copy, prose, etc. of all the ai companies vying to run against openai, anthropic I think has a good chance.

I jump between Bing, and Claude for different things a lot and everytime I try bard I'm more and more impressed by it's craptitude being funded by Google...

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47. gremli+8w3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 23:19:01
>>93po+GW1
that sounds like an std.
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