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1. h4l+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-10-04 16:47:13
The EU are requiring phones to have user-replaceable batteries (no tools) from 2027. Hopefully batteries will stop being a problem soon. https://mashable.com/article/replaceable-batteries-smartphon...
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2. ThatMe+F3[view] [source] 2023-10-04 17:00:15
>>h4l+(OP)
There are exceptions for water proof devices and batteries having a capacity of 80% with 1000 cycles.
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3. onli+rc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 17:32:33
>>ThatMe+F3
There were two recent types of EU regulations. One was broader, but had these exceptions, the other one hits phones and had no exceptions (that I noticed when it was last discussed). See https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/24/23771064/european-union-b...
4. theshr+pj[view] [source] 2023-10-04 17:59:21
>>h4l+(OP)
It doesn't say "no tools" it says:

> A portable battery shall be considered readily removable by the end-user where it can be removed from a product with the use of commercially available tools, without requiring the use of specialised tools, unless provided free of charge with the product, proprietary tools, thermal energy, or solvents to disassemble the product.[0]

So, for example, Apple's chunky multi step DIY battery swap kit is perfectly allowable if it's provided for free.

"Commercially available tools" also includes stuff like Torx screws. So, again, the current system by most manufacturers is doable with very minor modifications. Open a few Torx screws, slowly pull off the command strip sticker under the battery, replace new battery, done.

The HN/Reddit crowd's minds went right back to the 90s and 00s where you could (and had to) carry 3 separate batteries and could swap them on the go, which isn't the goal of this regulation at all.

[0] https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/PE-2-2023-INIT... - article 11

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5. sbuk+ep[view] [source] 2023-10-04 18:24:59
>>h4l+(OP)
Not no tools, commercially available tools; see https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2023/1542/oj § 38.

"A portable battery should be considered to be removable by the end-user when it can be removed with the use of commercially available tools and without requiring the use of specialised tools, unless they are provided free of charge, or proprietary tools, thermal energy or solvents to disassemble it. Commercially available tools are considered to be tools available on the market to all end-users without the need for them to provide evidence of any proprietary rights and that can be used with no restriction, except health and safety-related restrictions."

I think a deposit for specialised tools is fair to ensure a return of the tools, other than that, there is nothing controversial here.

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6. eterni+qS[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 20:30:33
>>sbuk+ep
I think that's still too restrictive. I would imagine the intent of "Provided free of charge" is more like "Tiny stamped metal key thingy included with the device" not "Request it, then they send it, then you lose your deposit when you try to send it back and the package is lost".
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7. h4l+Zp3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 16:59:13
>>theshr+pj
Ah, thanks for correcting that.
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