>>cvccvr+Mf
They definitely already do that it's an important part of the role of police. Chicago did it so much they made a special compound for it, but it's not like chicago invented the practice or are the only ones ever to have done it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homan_Square_facility

>>cvccvr+Mf
Not new. Seeing as the NYPD also surveils people well outside of the city: https://www.nj.com/news/2012/02/nypd_muslims.html

>>coucha+06
Have you lived near where they celebrate J’Ouvert? I used to live in that part of Brooklyn for 10 years and the festival always incited crime and violence in our immediate area.

I’m not saying drones are the answer, but it is not by any means a totally harmless event.

For those downvoting who don’t want to accept reality, below is an article from just a few days ago. It happens every year.

https://www.amny.com/new-york/brooklyn/spate-of-violence-sul...

>>c420+(OP)
> Voyager Labs, a surveillance company that has been sued by Meta for using nearly 40,000 fake Facebook accounts to collect data on an estimated 600,000 users.

If interested, this is Meta’s newsroom piece of legal action against Voyager Labs for scraping user data:

https://about.fb.com/news/2023/01/leading-the-fight-against-...

>>WaitWa+mg
They linked to the original story which has a link to the documents showing some of Voyager's features including the "active persona" or fake profiles. The user guide also has some of the other details they mention about mapping out friendships.

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/2021-11/J9...

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/2021-11/J9...

>>p_j_w+Mj
in the event people want to read about one of the most egregious instances of this in recent times: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homan_Square_facility

>>coucha+mq
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/30/nyregion/nyc-teen-murder-...

>>trinsi+CG
No. Further, the only people (with any serious power) really bringing up this idea are opponents of police reform trying to poison the well on the idea that police reform is needed.

These people may even benefit from over policing wrt kickbacks from private prisons. For example, Marco Rubio [0] is a top recipient of money from the private prison lobby, and he's run attack ads wrongfully saying that his political opponents want to abolish police, and he himself ran on a platform pushing for larger police budgets.

0 - https://www.opensecrets.org/industries./indus.php?ind=G7000

>>confou+gA
https://www.amazon.com/No-More-Police-Case-Abolition/dp/1620...

If you're actually interested and not just asking someone to elaborate on a complex problem over a HackerNews comment. An equally uncharitable opponent could ask you to prove that heavy policing (or at least the NYPD) has played a significant role in reducing crime.

>>coldpi+1N3
Sorry, I'm not trying to be pedantic but the literal definition of "defund" is as follows:

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/eng... - " to stop providing money for something, especially something official"

which is the same as:

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/ame... - "to officially end a law, a system, or an institution"

You can see where if you and I are having this conversation, probably there's a lot of other people like you and I who are talking past each other because the word is being either incorrectly deployed by proponents – or the proponents genuinely want to eliminate police departments.