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1. johngl+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-08-15 17:55:22
Censorship is not limited to who does it.
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2. hdjjhh+o1[view] [source] 2023-08-15 18:02:22
>>johngl+(OP)
So please explain the difference between censorship and moderation.
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3. simonw+U8[view] [source] 2023-08-15 18:45:41
>>johngl+(OP)
Is deleting spam censorship?
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4. yownie+ib[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-15 18:58:55
>>hdjjhh+o1
public versus privately owned forum.
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5. 93po+Yp[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-15 20:09:49
>>hdjjhh+o1
In my head, censorship is the removal of an idea that is offensive to a particular ideology but isn’t objectively harmful.

Moderation is the removal of content that objectively doesn’t belong in context, eg spam

Obviously that moderation definition is nuanced bc some could argue that Marxist ideas don’t belong in the context of a site with a foundation in startups. And indeed Marxist ideas often get flagged here

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6. miki12+iy[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-15 21:03:11
>>hdjjhh+o1
I like Scott Alexander's definition[1]. Quoting directly:

> Moderation is the normal business activity of ensuring that your customers like using your product. If a customer doesn’t want to receive harassing messages, or to be exposed to disinformation, then a business can provide them the service of a harassment-and-disinformation-free platform.

> Censorship is the abnormal activity of ensuring that people in power approve of the information on your platform, regardless of what your customers want. If the sender wants to send a message and the receiver wants to receive it, but some third party bans the exchange of information, that’s censorship.

Censorship is somewhat subjective, something that you might find offensive and want moderated might not be considered so by others. Therefore, Alexander further argues that the simplest mechanism that turns censorship into moderation is a switch that, when enabled, lets you see the banned content, which is exactly what HN does. Alexander further argues that there are kinds of censorship that aren't necessarily bad, by this definition, disallowing pedophiles from sharing child porn with each other is censorship, but it's something that we should still do.

[1] https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/moderation-is-differen...

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