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1. craftk+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-08-15 04:37:03
Oddly enough the delay is reduced to 1 second by using curl's useragent string (wget --user-agent='curl/8.2.1' https://t.co/4fs609qwWt)
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2. ilikeh+B2[view] [source] 2023-08-15 05:09:16
>>craftk+(OP)
Seeing this makes me wonder if it's some sort of server-side header bidding ad server gone haywire, rather than something nefarious. Why would they only delay browser agents otherwise?
replies(3): >>derefr+74 >>london+b9 >>nvm0n2+Xm
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3. derefr+74[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-15 05:26:03
>>ilikeh+B2
Browsers are generally tolerant of long TTFB. Automation, on the other hand, is sometimes quite brittle.
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4. london+b9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-15 06:22:53
>>ilikeh+B2
Perhaps their own internal tooling also relies on the t.co redirector?
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5. nvm0n2+Xm[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-15 08:59:49
>>ilikeh+B2
Probably a phishing/malware scan gone wrong then. NYTimes has Twitterbot in its robots.txt which might be related?

Even if it's deliberate, I don't see how people can complain. Google has outright blocked Breitbart for years. They prevent results from that domain from appearing at all unless you specifically force it with site: and apparently HN does the same. Politically motivated censorship and restricting "reach" is just how Silicon Valley rolls. Pre-Musk Twitter did freeze the New York Post's account and many other much worse things. It'd be a shame for Musk to be doing this deliberately, even though it seems unlikely. But that's the problem with creating a culture where that sort of behavior is tolerated, isn't it? One day it might be turned around on you.

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6. spider+ar[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-15 09:44:46
>>nvm0n2+Xm
Does the value Breitbart adds to the internet outweigh the negatives of turning people into dangerous fascists by weaponizing misinformation? No.

Does the value added by sources like the NYT outweigh the negatives of being occasionally biased or outright wrong? Yes.

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7. menset+M51[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-15 14:31:43
>>spider+ar
NYT has arguably done far more damage to the world (Iraq, etc.) than Breitbart has.
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8. piaste+Nt1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-15 16:28:54
>>spider+ar
There is no objective, public, or shared "value" at play here.

The only "values" that matter are the personal whims of whoever happens to own Twitter, or Google or Facebook.

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9. spider+bH1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-15 17:28:37
>>piaste+Nt1
You’re not making any sense, you’re just trying to sound contrarian.
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10. alsetm+LI1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-15 17:36:24
>>menset+M51
> NYT has arguably done far more damage to the world (Iraq, etc.) than Breitbart has.

NYT may have more reach and definitely isn't neutral, but it's a far cry from the nonsense that Breitbart publishes. It's nakedly partisan.

11. pityJu+ZS1[view] [source] 2023-08-15 18:28:38
>>craftk+(OP)
Could this be explained by the UA derived redirect behaviour described in this other comment on the thread? >>37130982
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12. darkso+FX1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-15 18:56:55
>>spider+ar
Does the value the NYT adds to the internet outweigh the negatives of turning people into dangerous communists by weaponizing misinformation? No. Does the value added by sources like the Breitbart outweigh the negatives of being occasionally biased or outright wrong? Yes.
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13. spider+sA3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-16 08:04:55
>>darkso+FX1
I can tell you all the ways in which you’re wrong, but something tells me you wont trust anything anyone says unless it confirms your biases.
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14. howint+eD5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-16 18:56:22
>>piaste+Nt1
Just because this is a very difficult question doesn't mean we can throw our hands up and pretend it doesn't exist. Many things in life are very difficult and yet worth solving anyway.
replies(1): >>piaste+oj6
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15. piaste+oj6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-16 22:07:45
>>howint+eD5
I didn't say the concept cannot exist: I said it's not at play here.

What gets a website censored, in the modern corporation-dominated Internet, is going against the interests and preferences of Big Tech owners - and nothing else. Nobody with any power is bound to look out for the public interest, however defined; ICANN is perhaps the only exception that comes to mind.

We can waste our time and attention debating over which targets were more or less deserving of censorship, based on our personal ideas of public interest. But as long as Big Tech is allowed to exist in its current form, we're like powerless peasants arguing about the decisions of kings.

replies(1): >>spider+II6
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16. spider+II6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-17 01:37:18
>>piaste+oj6
“And nothing else”

That’s not true and you know it. Don’t ignore facts man.

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