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1. Hamuko+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-07-27 06:04:59
How is population density related to social benefits?
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2. bluepo+03[view] [source] 2023-07-27 06:28:29
>>Hamuko+(OP)
https://sustainablereview.com/high-population-density-pros-a...

There’s a Pros/Cons table where the first row almost seems like a paradox. A “pro” of a high population density is that you have access to resources. A “con” is that the resources are still limited.

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3. greisk+f3[view] [source] 2023-07-27 06:30:10
>>Hamuko+(OP)
In fact, it should be the opposite. You get way more economy of scales in providing a social safety net in dense areas than in sparse areas. Hospitals can cover more people, social workers can handle more cases, public transportation becomes cheaper, etc.
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4. Teeorb+x3[view] [source] 2023-07-27 06:32:46
>>Hamuko+(OP)
Japan's economy has been long replying on the "integrity" of a more connected society as to the Nordic ones, due to a large population (and high density). Integrity suppresses characteristics of people, so they are more collectivist(more exploited by the heirachy:() and the competition is intense due to this population density. Asia vs West basically.

S Korea is very similar to Japan, also facing the same problem of population decline, you can view S Korea(or even Taiwan) as a lately developed and peninsula version of Japan. Each of them with limited resources and a dense population, in which made J and K what they are today (You can look up how these two countries developed, I am not an expert historian). Even China, has a significant decrease in newborn population, despite its vast landmass and less developed population.

So basically, the achievement of development is brought by whatever suppresses the population at the same time, they are sort of at the local maximum of their country at current time point. The Nordic countries meanwhile are much loosely populated, higher average resources and so on, although not as capitalist as US. Again I am not a Nordic expert, but the distinction is significant enough that I can say applying their policies in Asian countries will not work.

Each country has its own "ecology", that are of course constantly interacting with each other so to speak, but still inertial wrt some policies that are do not cope with it well.

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5. greisk+O3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-27 06:34:27
>>bluepo+03
This page is completely wrong in so many levels. It says it's talking about population density, but many of the cons are about population numbers. If you have the same number of people of a city, but spread out more, it is harder to provide services for them. Pollution? Yeah, a city looks bad, until you realize how suburban sprawl absolutely decimates entire ecosystems in huge areas. It is way better for the planet if human beings concentrate in a few places, and try to leave the biggest amount of area possible to nature. Also, the pollution per capita of less dense areas is way bigger, since the lack of public transit means everybody needs to drive everywhere.
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6. Teeorb+K4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-27 06:43:28
>>greisk+f3
Scale economy is too simplistic, that it is ignoring loads of social aspects of a realistic economy. Also population cannot be stacked together costlessly(scale economy within a limited landscape), just imagine this place, can you live there?

In fact, no single one highly and densely populated developed region can have a significant positive growth in population. There is much more than just scale of economy.

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7. isykt+zD[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-27 11:32:41
>>greisk+f3
Yeah, but having 2.1 kids in an apartment that’s 66m2 is annoying as hell. Especially when you work all the time.
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8. bluepo+3c2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-27 18:18:38
>>greisk+O3
I think the one row about resources still makes sense though. You didn’t even answer OP’s original question regarding it in your reply. All you did was state an opinion as a fact without providing any proof. At least, I attempted to do so. A simple counterexample to your “common sense” claim that it’s easier to provide resources when people aren’t spread apart is housing.

I didn’t even read the pollution part. That’s a whole different topic that wasn’t being discussed.

But thanks for the downvote! Next time, please make sure your reply is up to par if you feel the need to downvote.

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