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If we're arguing about whether 4% global usage constitutes dead, then yes, it's truly dead and Mozilla is completely irrelevant. Even Microsoft is more important these days (again).

>>solard+(OP)
The difference between 0% and 5% is that at 0%, if you want an alternative, you have to write it yourself, but at 5%, the alternative exists. Mozilla is not dead.

If you don’t like what Google is doing, don’t pretend that Firefox does not exist. Do something instead. File bug reports, send patches, donate to those who are working on Firefox and countering Google.

>>nequo+r3
Frankly I trust Mozilla's governance even less than Google's. They took an amazing product (Phoenix) and mismanaged it into irrelevance.

If there were a good browser run by a different nonprofit org, I would support that.

>>solard+E5
Even if you don't trust Mozilla, they cannot do what Google is already doing. Mozilla doesn't have nearly enough market power to force something like WEI down our throats.

>>solard+(OP)
> If we're arguing about whether 4% global usage constitutes dead, then yes, it's truly dead

I am posting from maintained Mozilla Firefox.

That would be impossible if FF would be dead.

>>solard+(OP)
>If we're arguing about whether 4% global usage constitutes dead, then yes, it's truly dead and Mozilla is completely irrelevant. Even Microsoft is more important these days (again).

According to these folks[0], Firefox has a 3.29% market share globally. They also claim there are 4.66 billion browser users globally.

If those numbers are correct, Firefox has a bit more than 150,000,000 users worldwide.

If my software had 150,000,000 users, I'd consider that wildly successful.

Other folks have different ideas/takes on that, I suppose. But it's food for thought nonetheless.

[0] https://backlinko.com/browser-market-share#worldwide-browser...

Edit: Fixed prose.