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None of that should prevent anyone from using Firefox. There are no alternatives, nearly all other browsers are built on Chromium.

Making FF more prominent will not give Google more power, it will give Mozilla more power to negotiate better deals with Google and Bing to become the default search engine, because in the world of browsers, that's what pays the bills.

Giving more power to Mozilla hinges on them having a larger user-base so their voice is heard on these technical issues.

I'm tired of people complaining about how much better they could do "if only" this, or that FF was % slower on some tasks 10 years ago.

Firefox is a better alternative. It's the only alternative, and we can make more demand on its direction if we actually use it.

It doesn't mean that we shouldn't hold Mozilla to higher standards, but if we keep waiting for them to be perfect before we will consider using and pushing FF, we're just going to lose the only alternative not controlled by Google or Microsoft.

It's Firefox here and now. There probably won't be a tomorrow otherwise. Google is making that very clear.

>>Renaud+(OP)
Exactly. Also, if some anecdata can help change a mind: Firefox is a really good browser these days. I use it quite heavily, and it hasn’t disappointed in the last three or so years since I switched from Chrome.

About the only use case I still need Chrome for is for sites requiring experimental web APIs not supported by Firefox, such as Web USB or Web Bluetooth. Site compatibility for everything else, including very heavy web apps, is just fine.

History sync is encrypted, which is what made me switch over in the first place (Chrome deactivates history sync when activating end-to-end encryption – go figure…)

>>lxgr+J1
I switched to Firefox for the idealogical reasons above and was pleasantly surprised to find that it was a net improvement.

The only site I have compatibility issues with on desktop is MS Teams and even then it's only for voice/video calls, everything else works fine.

Firefox Android is a slightly less happy place. The password manager doesn't work very well (am moving away from the built-in one) and I can't log in on Amazon (which is important because I can't buy Kindle books in the app because of the Play Store).

>>Renaud+(OP)
In addition to just using Firefox, people can donate to the Mozilla Foundation. I give a few bucks every month.

https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/who-we-are/

>>Utopia+Da
Almost none of that money goes to the development of Firefox though.

>>rkange+W7
Interesting. Firefox android works great for me, but Firefox windows gets very slow on my machine. I don't use their password manager on either, though, so I can't attest to that.

>>rkange+W7
Firefox Android OOMs whenever it sees an article from The Guardian.

>>Pawger+Rd
> but Firefox windows gets very slow on my machine.

This is why I don't use FF (although I'm on Linux). It's unusably slow for me. My experience is not the most common one (indicating that there's something about my ecosystem that FF hates), but I haven't been able to make FF work in any of the releases starting a couple of years back, I think.

I don't browse on my phone at all, so I won't be using FF there purely for that reason.

>>FooBar+Kh
This is just more anecdata, but I'm exclusively using Firefox on Android and have never had issues with The Guardian. In fact, at this very moment there is a Guardian article linked on the front page, and I've visited it without an issue.

I don't doubt your experience, but it's clearly not universal.

>>gkbrk+sb
That which is claimed without evidence can be dismissed without analysis.

>>Pawger+Rd
Is it still slow for you? Have you tested it recently?

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>>Bizarr+Ww
The same thing can be said about the opposite stance you are taking. The question is: do we already know things, and how easy are the things we don't already know to look up?

Regardless, I have Googled this for you: please return the favor by helping others learn to use search engines in the future before leaving comments insinuating that they are lying.

The tldr (as you'll probably insist on that also) is that Firefox finds Mozilla, not the other way around, as the latter is a non-profit while the former is a FOR-profit, so Mozilla actually can't directly fund Firefox.

https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/ow9k0y/is_there_a_...

https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/a98gmi/donations_t...

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>>gkbrk+sb
Much of it goes to policy issues like this very one, and to government education about these kinds of things, and to other important efforts closely aligned with this exact issue. Mozilla does both "advocacy" and "product" and that two pronged fork exists to serve people and the web, not massive ad companies.

>>teddyh+YA
Yes, it's still my default browser -- work and home. I put up with it because I browse far more on my phone than on my computer.