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1. danShu+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-07-18 17:20:13
It's just ADHD, there's not really a workflow reason that I have 1000+ tabs open. It just kind of happens.

Firefox/Sideberry is useful for mitigating that. I also have workflows set up for mass-exporting my tabs from Firefox to a text file and reorganizing them in plain-text and re-opening just the tabs I care about[0].

Bookmarking on any browser is cumbersome and leads to disorganization over time. Tree-style tabs helps make that organization at least a little bit easier.

[0]: https://textmark.netlify.app/

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2. leland+k5[view] [source] 2023-07-18 17:38:20
>>danShu+(OP)
It's ADHD sure, but it's also an unwillingness to close tabs, and (generally) that we have poor windowing systems that force us into ~1-2 browser windows at a time because browser windows are harder to manage than tabs.

The big change for me has been realizing that all my "tabs" are still there, in the form of my browser history, or if not, via Google search. If I can't find my way back to a website via my history or via searching the web, then I probably also wouldn't be able to find it among 1000 tabs. So why not close the tabs and be free of them?

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3. Given_+27[view] [source] 2023-07-18 17:45:05
>>danShu+(OP)
Nice! I went on a closing tab spree recently but rejoined the 1k club this morning (1018 brave tabs rn on my mac) lol
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4. danShu+eb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-18 18:01:10
>>leland+k5
> in the form of my browser history, or if not, via Google search.

So I do have bad news about this that may or may not be news: Firefox cycles history even if you never clear it. Unbelievably it's not permanent.

This has bitten me a couple of times in the past because I always assumed that naturally history wouldn't just get randomly deleted in the background, so I'd search for a tweet or article from an obscure blog and couldn't figure out why nothing was coming up in my history searches. Took me a long time to actually check "is this article I looked up 6 months ago even there anymore?"

There is a way to set up recurring database backups manually if you're willing to do some gruntwork, but it's kind of a pain and means you need to break out an SQLite browser across multiple backups in order to search.

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Where searching is concerned, :shrug: that doesn't generally work for me, but I'm happy for anyone that it does work for :) My tabs aren't just so that I remember where a document is (although they serve that purpose as well), they're also a reminder that the thing exists at all. When it gets to 1000 tabs, is that useful? Arguably no, but the process getting there is pretty organic, it's not really a conscious choice.

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In support of your comment though, being able to just stick all of my tabs in an open text file does genuinely help a lot[0] because it's permanent history and it serves the same purpose of being a reminder. It could be better, sometimes I leave tabs open on images that I forget to get around to saving or on open sessions and then the link rot hits whatever I'm looking at -- but it helps a lot. Being able to have an intermediary step between "leave everything open" and "categorize and organize everything you're looking at and save what you need" does allow me to do things like grab 500 tabs that I haven't checked in weeks and just stick them in a text file and write some notes at the top about what I was working on.

Split browser sessions, better windowing would help a lot with this, although I worry I'd end up with similar situations as my Emacs window, where everything looks clean but behind the scenes I have 1000 open files and 20 of them are unsaved scratch buffers ;) But the text file does kind of work the way you're describing; you can be free of the clutter, but if you really need to find everything, you know it's in a static text file that you can grep through at any time and that you know the browser won't do anything shifty with in the background.

[0]: I say that it's common to have 1000 tabs open, and it is, but currently I only have about 200, largely because of that method. I went through a bunch of stuff a few weeks ago and stashed most of the stuff I had open.

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5. mcpack+Mb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-18 18:03:55
>>leland+k5
I stopped using persistent browser history because I realized without it I become more diligent at bookmarking pages. Deliberately bookmarked pages are alot less clutter than my entire browsing history, so with my address bar only searching my bookmarks and current session's history, it's easier for me to find what I'm looking for. It results in smaller haystacks for my needles to get lost in. I loath using general purpose search engines to pull up pages when I already know what page I'm trying to get to, so I bookmark any page I think I'll care about in the future.
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6. imdoor+Qb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-18 18:04:05
>>leland+k5
Most of the times when I've tried finding stuff in (Firefox) history, I wasn't able to. Unless it's in the last week or so. In my experience, history filtering and search options are too basic to be useful. Once I was even desperate enough to try to load some Firefox sqlite file directly, hoping to query history entries, but that didn't work out.

The only reliable way that I've come across for finding stuff after a long time has passed is saving every sightly interesting webpage to Zotero and using fulltext search afterwards (including webpage body).

I'm curious, do you find the builtin browser history facilities sufficient for your needs, or are you using some third party tool for that?

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7. leland+wi[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-18 18:31:53
>>imdoor+Qb
I do find the built-in browser history is sufficient for _my_ needs, in that I mostly want a super-fadt autocomplete of certain hot items. Everything else that I know I want to revisit and find again I've bookmarked, but I don't bookmark that many things, maybe ~1 new bookmark a month.

Mostly though I realize I have focused heavily on not having clutter vs. being able to recall quickly everything I've ever found necessary or useful. It's a trade off I like, but it may not be for everyone.

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8. JohnFe+po[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-18 18:58:23
>>leland+k5
> because browser windows are harder to manage than tabs.

I find that browser windows are much easier to manage than tabs and make it possible to see more than one site at a time as well as have different sites/pages sized differently. If I'm doing heavy web research, I'll typically have many browser instances, each with three or four tabs.

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9. specpr+CT[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-18 21:44:17
>>mcpack+Mb
I like this idea, might give that a go.
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10. danShu+Bi1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-19 01:12:05
>>imdoor+Qb
> Most of the times when I've tried finding stuff in (Firefox) history, I wasn't able to. Unless it's in the last week or so.

I mentioned this below, but check to see what your history limits are in Firefox (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1039372). It's possible if you do enough browsing that you might have trouble finding older pages because they're not there anymore.

I'm not sure what the best mitigation is for that, I've kind of accepted that history for Firefox is short-term, not long-term. It might be possible to rig up a webextension to save history more permanently, but I suspect it would need to do native messaging I think to do that, and at that point maybe it's better to just do regular copies of the SQLite database.

Relying on Firefox history less also has the kind of minor advantage of allowing you to be more aggressive about cleaning it yourself, which can have a noticeable performance impact in some cases.

11. deprec+ss1[view] [source] 2023-07-19 03:05:03
>>danShu+(OP)
>> It's just ADHD, there's not really a workflow reason that I have 1000+ tabs open. It just kind of happens.

If you use the word "just" then it's a you issue. Close the tabs and you'll be happier.

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12. danShu+tm6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-20 13:57:41
>>deprec+ss1
If your advice to someone struggling to stay organized is "be organized", you probably don't have much experience with ADHD or disorganization problems.
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13. deprec+kd8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-20 22:29:36
>>danShu+tm6
If you say "just" then you're trying to justify it without effort. Most of the people I interact with have ADHD and yes it's annoying as fuck but I don't fault them or blame them when they communicate in good faith. Using "just" to justify it means it's bad faith.

You choose to open tabs. Don't open tabs if you know you cannot handle that.

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14. danShu+DA8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-21 01:39:36
>>deprec+kd8
> If you say "just" then you're trying to justify it without effort

This is an interestingly narrow take on what is a pretty common broadly used phrase with multiple meanings. If you're familiar with people with ADHD, you should realize that ADHD isn't something you can "just" choose to ignore or decide not to be affected by. Executive dysfunction isn't something you get to opt out of.

That knowledge should clue you in that when I use the word "just" in this context that I'm not dismissing anything or treating ADHD like a joke or using it as an excuse to be lazy. Particularly given that I immediately follow up that usage by talking about practical strategies and techniques I've developed to try and mitigate the outcome.

My point with the word "just" is that there isn't some complicated reasoning going on in my head for why it's good for me to have 1000 tabs open, in the same way that it's not some kind of life strategy that I forget to eat when I'm hyperfixated. It's not a workflow or a decision that I've made about my life, it's just a consequence of ADHD.

> you're trying to justify it

Having a lot of tabs open doesn't need to be justified. It's not a moral failing. I don't need an excuse for having a lot of tabs open because it's not behavior that needs to be excused.

The only reason to mitigate it is because mitigating it makes my individual life better. It's not really relevant whether you or anyone else approves beyond that. I'm not trying to justify anything because there is nothing about the number of browser tabs a person has open that needs to be justified or condemned. Opening a browser tab is a morally neutral act.

I replied to a comment that was curious about why someone might have that many tabs open: was it easier to work that way? Is there some browser config that makes 1000s of tabs more efficient than bookmarks? No, the cause is just ADHD.

> You choose to open tabs. Don't open tabs if you know you cannot handle that.

??? I genuinely have no idea what you're suggesting or getting at here. People who open too many (?) tabs shouldn't be using browsers? What does this mean?

Given that you are saying you're familiar with ADHD, I know you're definitely not suggesting that the solution is to just choose not to open a lot of tabs in the first place. Because you know what executive dysfunction and impulsivity is and you're familiar with how people with ADHD operate, and so I know that you wouldn't make such a pointless or useless suggestion. But I'm at a loss for what you're actually trying to convey then.

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