I didn't say that was the sole consideration but it would be wildly disingenuous to say its not a factor in the big picture. the only guys I've run into that managed to have relationships before achieving financial success were young white guys.
> You've just advocated working one's way out of poverty while in a relationship.
do you have an alternative suggestion? seriously. its a damned if you do/don't situation and I won't claim to qualified to answer that. I know guys who have moved up in the world from humble origins while having a family and they have all told me it would have been infinitely easier doing it on their own.
> You next toss out a number of niche jobs that only a small segment of the public is well adapted to. You offered up statistical anomaly as if window washing was a path anyone could take to a high salary.
what do you expect me to say? everyone should learn to code? I can't rattle off every possible option out there. my point is that if you're using your brain, you can find a way to carve out a niche that pays well. what that niche happens to be is going to vary according to the individual and beyond the scope of a HN post. Its less about being hand and more of a point that you have agency in whether you live in poverty or success.
> assume we're discussing white, binary males without crippling health issues,
fair point about the crippling health issue. but I am not white. I'm south asian an ethnic group confirmed by OK cupid in their own high level research to be the least likely group to get replies back from women on dating sites. If anything, I'm playing the dating game on hard mode. I'll even go so far as to say I don't personally know ANY south asian men in relationships with american girls who make less than 6 figures. Being a south asian guy making less than 100k is like being a white guy under 5'5".
> Based on your assertion and it's underlying tone, if people are [NEGATIVE ADJECTIVE] enough to lose the employment lottery, they deserve being deprived of the supportive intimate relationships that successful people depend on to be successful.
no one OWES you relationship. A relationship has its perks but its also a responsibility. Shit happens in life and we can't control that but you can take steps to secure the best position you can in life before you get into a relationship because you want whats best for you both.
> I did finally work my way out of extreme poverty (wife left to become homeless & vulnerable, which allowed the rest of us to make progress).
hope she and you are doing better.
You replied: > I didn't say that was the sole consideration
Can you see how your reply doesn't rebut what I actually said?
Not at all. The only women who prioritize a high income above more important considerations are those that happen to do that - and none other. Among the most capable and brilliant women I've known, that sort of computation isn't something I've seen with any regularity.
Sure. Don't use an arbitrary, unproven rule as an excuse to turn down the opportunity of forming a mutually uplifting relationship - should such an opportunity present itself.
Instead of a paragraph of different coding paths, offer a half dozen paths to high income that well reflect the scope of the population's capabilities (inc the half of the population with below average intellect for example).
If there is an astounding abundance of likely paths available - and they are realistic for folks working the hours it takes to survive in a 4 income economy - coming up with a handful of highly likely examples should be trivial.
That reality genuinely sucks. People suck.
That said, my qualification was just to establish the lowest difficulty level. I wanted to give your American Dream® scenario it's strongest possible showing - before exposing it to reality. It wasn't a comment on anything else.