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I think there may be a disconnect between what Musk says and the reality on the ground. Enough so that I, given such a situation, would wait around a little bit to see how things played out before jumping ship. But as I said in my original comment, I’ve sprinted away from toxicity before, and will do so again if it becomes obvious.

>>ineeda+(OP)
If it was only that Elon had said it, I might agree. But he also had multiple rounds of layoffs (after lying every time and saying "this was the last!"). He had multiple horrible mandatory meetings forcing people to drop everything and fly over the country. He forced people to print out their code so he could review their work.

Nobody good stays during ALL of this.

>>Timon3+r8
I wouldn't say nobody, there's likely folks held captive by H1B visas with limited options/mobility

>>drzaiu+yt
If you really want I can qualify my earlier statement, I thought it was obvious:

GP wrote:

> Enough so that I, given such a situation, would wait around a little bit to see how things played out before jumping ship.

That means "nobody" is talking about the group of people who have the option of "waiting around a little bit to see how things played out before jumping ship". H1B visa holders aren't included in that earlier group, so I didn't think a further qualification is necessary.

>>drzaiu+yt
H1B people can and do jump ship. The bigger issue was Twitter laid off so many people it was a poor time to look for a new job.

>>ineeda+(OP)
> I think there may be a disconnect between what Musk says and the reality on the ground.

Which runs against every good piece of advice that has ever been uttered about leadership. Musk far overpaid for twitter because he wanted to be the center of attention and what better way to do that than to buy the network which gets the most attention from "important" people?

He then took the Michael Jordan trope of "I never asked anyone to do anything I was unwilling to do" and tried to turn that into reality by sleeping in his office every once in a while. The problem with this sentiment is that the only employees who are going to stick around long-term in such a ridiculous working arrangement are those who either can't find jobs elsewhere or are terrified that they won't be able to find jobs elsewhere.

So now you've got a highly toxic work environment full of people who are unconfident in their own abilities to get the work done, and Elon constantly pretend like he's some sort of business genius from the movies who just walks into a meeting, throws a bunch of turds on top of the agenda without having a firm grasp of anything, and storms off to light the next fire.

It's fucking insane.

>>ineeda+(OP)
> Enough so that I, given such a situation, would wait around a little bit to see how things played out before jumping ship.

The twitter engineers were presented with an opportunity to jump ship and also get 3 months of severance. I think the rational ones, who had a choice took it, leaving employees who didn't consider it rationally, as well as employees on H1Bs who didn't have the luxury to quit without something else lined up