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1. nashas+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-07-02 02:39:50
The arrogance of the guy is so huge, hubris does not touch him. Thoughts are with the programmers.

What I’m more surprised about is how gum and shoestring the twitter engineering is now a days. They put in no emphasis on doing deep divides into the code base and instead opt to do the simplest shortest fix. And it causes problems.

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2. starbu+ji[view] [source] 2023-07-02 06:19:02
>>nashas+(OP)
Applying the simplest shortest fix can sometimes be a good method to synchronize the state of the code with management.

Instead of engineering trying to buffer and fix weird management decisions, this just exposes them.

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3. bileka+ww[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-02 08:57:57
>>starbu+ji
From experience management really don't care about the state of the code or infrastructure. All they want to know is the soonest something can be done.

Elon strikes me as worse because he likes to think he understands what his engineers know.

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4. bborud+fN[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-02 12:08:57
>>bileka+ww
> Elon strikes me as worse because he likes to think he understands > what his engineers know.

Early on in my career I had a name for this. I called it "gamle helter" in Norwegian which roughly translates to "old heroes". An "old hero" is someone who used to be competent in a field, has stopped being competent, doesn't recognize this themselves and is now a nuisance to anyone who actually knows what they are doing, but can't pull rank. One way to become an old hero is typically to end up in management and not practice whatever discipline you think you understand.

To be fair, I highly doubt that Musk was ever a competent software engineer, much less a good engineering manager. He is a PR person. He sells an image that he is a technology person.

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5. bernie+l21[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-02 14:10:38
>>bborud+fN
Elon is the imposter.
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6. bileka+I61[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-02 14:43:00
>>bernie+l21
I'm not seeing the imposter side of things personally but maybe he does come across like the old addage : dumb people think they know everything, smart people know they know nothing. Or something to that effect.
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7. bigwav+i81[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-02 14:55:34
>>bileka+I61
I think the parent comment was jokingly making a reference to "Among Us", a game that spawned millions of memes about "the imposter". But my assumption could be wrong.
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8. y0ink+mf1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-02 15:36:44
>>bileka+I61
It's called the Dunning-Kruger effect, paraphrased by Bertrand Russell as "The stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

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9. starbu+yL1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-02 18:51:35
>>bileka+ww
Didn’t wanna imply that management care for the state of the code with my original comment. That would be a bit delusional. Sorry if that caused confusion.

What I wanted to say is that if the state of the code is bad, it might make them care a bit more when their own state gets synchronized with that. Not necessarily about the code, but surely about the revenue and the looks.

Now, management being what it is, they of course will try to find a scapegoat. But that’s just part of the game and may be better than burning yourself out by trying to fix their nonsense.

10. bart_s+nF5[view] [source] 2023-07-03 22:06:19
>>nashas+(OP)
Often the simplest shortest fix is the result of management’s directives. “We need this thing done yesterday” leads to the shortest fix, which compounds over time. Then the same managers wonder why it’s so hard to make changes or implement things in the future, without understanding their insistence on taking the path of least resistance is the direct cause.
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11. ackfoo+hV9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-05 05:22:02
>>y0ink+mf1
Almost everyone is under (the folk version of) the Dunning-Kruger effect about the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Since you linked Wikipedia, I'll quote it.

> Nevertheless, low performers' self-assessment is lower than that of high performers.

> Among laypeople, the Dunning–Kruger effect is often misunderstood as the claim that people with low intelligence are more confident in their knowledge and skills than people with high intelligence.

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