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> One thing about having leadership that is known to lie about anything or everything, for any sort of imagined persona gain

I will note that the few times I investigated claims of Elon lies they were not proper lies, either being misunderstood, misleading (which IS unethical, don't get me wrong), of indeterminate truth value (he said, she said type stuff), delusional optimism or actually true.

Like journalists, Musk rarely outright knowingly makes literally false statements, but this does not mean you should take what he says at face value.

>>concor+(OP)
I don't want to quibble about semantics, but habitual behavior of this sort just falls under the category of "liar" for me.

>>concor+(OP)
There's a very well known case of Musk making the same claim multiple years in a row, with it being false every single time.

I prefer to assume the best out of people, but when someone is that obviously wrong that many times with that much personal gain to come from it, I can't believe that man as smart as he is would also be that misled.

>>concor+(OP)
Which one of those did calling a cave-diving child rescuer a pedo fall under?

>>daniel+CE
Imo: jumping to conclusions based on stupid stereotypes.

He should have lost that libel case imo as I do think he meant it.

>>epista+e
I think it's an important distinction to make. Because it does means that you can actually infer true things from his statements (or a journalists statements, as news orgs do this kind of "lying" a lot), unlike with a habitual liar.

>>Negati+Qb
This is the guy who still thinks a Martian colony is a good idea and that the woke mind virus is one of the most dangerous threats to society. I'm not sure he's very grounded in reality at all when it comes to the future.

>>concor+m01
I don't agree. There is little to learn from Musk's statements. And lumping all of journalism as being as dishonest as Musk is just plain silly. Sure, if you're on the right the media which is biased towards yoi has been serving you dishonesty and lies for a long time. But that's not journalism as a whole.

Saying "he really believes his lies" is not excuse, because most habitual liars are exactly the same. They have prioritized their own narcissism so far above reality, but that doesn't make them any less of a liar. They are just lying to themselves and everyone else.