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1. Larrik+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-06-25 20:58:39
So you believe women would be better off without access to abortions and contraceptives because men have to be shitty to women if the women choose to have sex? Not every guy feels the need to shame a woman for having a sex drive.

Why would a woman, forced into viewing sex as inherently risky, want to get married to a guy with those views? Wouldn't it be better to be dumped after a few dates instead of being married to someone who doesn't respect you.

In this world are married couple, also forced to only have sex for procreation or have their family size explode to levels where they can't afford their children. Why would men or women want that? Kids survive childhood far more often and most people don't need a bunch of free labor for the fields anymore.

This is also completely ignoring the huge health issues we are seeing now in states banning abortions, with women being forced to bring dead fetuses to term, doctors afraid of running afoul of the law to save a woman's life when there is an issue with the pregnancy, and raped children and women being forced to flee their state or have their rapist's baby.

It's a pretty sick future if we eventually encourage these mass shooters to rape someone on their way to the crime because they know their lineage will live on.

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2. NoZebr+P[view] [source] 2023-06-25 21:04:53
>>Larrik+(OP)
> forced into viewing sex as inherently risky

I don't understand what you mean by "forced" and "inherently risky". What risks are you talking about? Sex isn't ever "inherently risky" and I don't know anyone who would reason like that if they just thought about it for a few moments. There are circumstances and behaviors which may increase risk of certain outcomes when having sex. There is nothing "inherent" about these elements. You don't make any sense.

Sex is inherently exciting, enjoyable, holy, and very good. Sex is designed that way so that humans and other creatures will engage in it often. Christians understand this, and we promote that view.

Your comments draw a bleak landscape of discord and strife over sex, and nobody wants that. We want a Culture of Life, where human dignity is respected and upheld at every stage of life, for every person, equally.

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3. Larrik+h2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-25 21:15:19
>>NoZebr+P
If you were responding in good faith you would respond to my full post, instead of part of a single sentence, where many of the risk without abortion and contraceptive access are listed.

Edit: It's also poor form to stealthily edit your comment after someone has already replied to it and you've been down voted for it.

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4. NoZebr+d4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-25 21:30:41
>>Larrik+h2
Well you're not posting in good faith; it's evident from your using emotive false equivalencies like "forced" and "inherently risky". If you weren't starting from false premises then we may have a chance at honest debate.
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5. kowbel+kn[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-25 23:58:18
>>NoZebr+P
> What risks are you talking about? Sex isn't ever "inherently risky"

Sex is very often inherently risky. Before protection became commonplace it was almost always inherently risky.

You seemed to be disappointed in the “widespread use of contraception” in your original post - without contraception there’s even more risk.

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