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1. Brando+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-06-24 17:48:27
This is a good point.

I look at 900k$ and think wow from the perspective of my very well paid job in France.

Getting 900k$ a year would bring great things to me and probably make me retire earlier. This will not be life-changing though.

And then I think about people who earn 5% of what I do and for them multiplying their income by two would probably be truly life changing for them.

And then these 900k$ do not look that wow anymore.

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2. kpw94+N[view] [source] 2023-06-24 17:54:02
>>Brando+(OP)
For people not living there but curious about trying it out: What's a reasonable range for "very well paid job in France"? Is it all cash or is there equity?
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3. dumbac+O1[view] [source] 2023-06-24 18:00:27
>>Brando+(OP)
Are you here to just brag? Also the dollar sign goes on the other side.
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4. Brando+X5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-24 18:23:02
>>dumbac+O1
Brag about what? Please take a moment to read my comment with understanding.

And the dollar sign goes on the side I put it: nine hundred thousand dollars. The fact that you want to write $900k is just an idea specific to the finance world (such as using parentheses for negative numbers).

Do you usually write m4, in7 or lb9?

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5. Brando+57[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-24 18:28:22
>>kpw94+N
For a entry-level developer in a large French company you would aim a 50k€.

But this is just the bare salary - you will have to take off about 20-30% for various taxes. But then you get free healthcare and education, and retirement.

Some companies will have a bonus ("intéressement / participation") which can be an extra 10 to 20% once a year.

You would typically have a straight salary, no equity or something like that.

When you look at the most senior positions, this is about 130k€.

But it really depends on the city, on the industry etc. Generally speaking your salary is not that big, bt you have extra advantages (such as the social committee, a company-funded organization that will reimburse part of your vacation costs, give gifts at Christmas, ...)

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6. rafram+ec[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-24 19:01:45
>>Brando+X5
Dollar sign goes before the number, cent sign goes after, other units go after: $7, 7¢, 7 lbs. You can’t pretend convention doesn’t exist just because it’s weird! That’s why it’s convention and not common sense.
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7. abwizz+yg[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-24 19:33:56
>>dumbac+O1
imho most countries on earth use the format: [scalar] [si-prefix] [unit]
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8. benhur+2j[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-24 19:50:18
>>Brando+57
> For a entry-level developer in a large French company you would aim a 50k€.

> When you look at the most senior positions, this is about 130k€.

You're being generous here. A new grad in France in engineering or development gets more often in the 40k€. The most senior positions in most companies plateau around 90k€.

In some companies in Paris it's higher, but that's the exception.

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9. benhur+oj[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-24 19:52:43
>>kpw94+N
At 62k€ before taxes you're in the 10% top earners in the country. That's about 41-47k€ after taxes depending on your situation.
10. marvin+Hp[view] [source] 2023-06-24 20:48:03
>>Brando+(OP)
I'd call "may retire, or work on whatever you want for the rest of your life, after a few years of saving" life-changing.
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11. pkd+SM[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-25 00:15:24
>>dumbac+O1
Currencies are formatted differently in different locales, even foreign ones.
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12. Brando+fZ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-25 14:35:31
>>benhur+2j
Yes, it really depends on the company and place. Mine is in the Paris region and this are the levels I hire at.
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13. Brando+FZ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-25 14:37:45
>>marvin+Hp
Twice my salary will not allow me to retire much earlier and sustain my level of living. Maybe ay 1M€/year that would be doable.
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14. marvin+89a[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 23:04:51
>>Brando+FZ1
If you don't increase your standard of living, it will. (Or the other caveats of course; assuming you're not already close to retirement, impending economic catastrophe or whatever).

Doubling salary post-tax will at the very least put you at a 50% savings rate, and that yields a time from zero to financial independence of 16.5 years. Assuming historically-similar stock market returns and a safe withdrawal rate of 4%. This relationship does not depend on absolute numbers beyond those stated above, only savings rate.

Most likely you'd not be starting from zero and having a positive savings rate already. Whether you'd be comfortable doing this is a different question. Many would never be, and hence never completely comfortable retiring.

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