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1. afavou+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-06-01 04:13:47
I’m sorry, who is buying “ideological conformity” for it to be worth so much? Everything you’ve said sounds great but I’m trying to dig under the surface and I’m honestly confused.

Reddit’s product is ad-supported message boards. It has a high valuation because it gets an incredible number of eyeballs every day and investors want to monetise them. Reddit is flailing because those users aren’t as monetisable as investors hoped. I don’t think it’s a whole lot more complicated than that, not everything has to be a political conspiracy theory.

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2. emoden+pf[view] [source] 2023-06-01 07:30:42
>>afavou+(OP)
I think Twitter and Reddit are somewhat disadvantaged here in knowing less about their users than Facebook or Google do.
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3. apgwoz+xl[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 08:51:48
>>emoden+pf
Why do you believe Reddit (or Twitter) knows less about its users? Users on Reddit literally self select into interest groups by visiting, (and with 100% confidence) subscribing to a subreddit. Someone not interested in surfing is not going to subscribe to r/surfing. But someone who casually browses r/surfing, or subscribes to r/surfing is very likely to have, at least casual, interest in it.

Twitter is similiar in that you’re self selecting who to follow, and who to engage with. Things you engage with have hashtags, have observable topics and categories that they generally post about, etc. If you’ve ever looked at the categories that you’re in after doing a Twitter data dump, you can see they know a _ton_ about you. What I don’t remember seeing in there is “confidence,” but it might just be that those numbers aren’t surfaced to users, or that it’s encoded in the ordering (and I don’t remember it).

The point is, Twitter and Reddit have largely the same types of signal that Facebook does, but certainly way less than Google. Facebook’s user engagement might be higher, but I’m willing to bet that the number of people using Facebook to follow their friends, and not random businesses and other accounts is greater, thus limiting confidence in understanding about someone’s preferences. What I mean is that my friends might never post about politics, and I might not follow political figures, or other talking heads, that suggest my affiliation…

In Google’s case, they drop a “pixel,” for tracking purposes, on 75% of the web (inflated estimate for effect), and analyze every accessible page on the internet with the goal of understanding what it says. As a result, they have far greater reach in what they can and do know about you…

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4. red-ir+PW[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 14:02:45
>>emoden+pf
You sure about that? Tracking cookies work, and the average person doesn't know what that means.
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5. emoden+Yb1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 15:05:17
>>apgwoz+xl
Facebook and Google a real name and some demographic data and encourage people to upload hundreds or thousands of photos of themselves and their friends, making it easier to tie all their Web activity to a real person. Twitter and Reddit make throwaway accounts without personally identifying information was to create. Plus more interactions with people you know in real life.
6. lacy_t+dz2[view] [source] 2023-06-01 21:09:12
>>afavou+(OP)
There are plenty buying conformity. Especially those that see it as a political tool.
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7. afavou+KF2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 21:43:43
>>lacy_t+dz2
Again, what does that statement actually mean? What does it mean to “buy conformity”? Who is doing it?

This thread feels full of vague insinuations that some powerful political lobby is paying to use Reddit to manipulate opinions or something but no actual detail.

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8. lacy_t+iP2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 22:35:18
>>afavou+KF2
Are we arguing whether astroturfing is a real thing?
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9. george+yf4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-02 11:39:46
>>lacy_t+iP2
Perhaps you should have used that term instead.
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