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His group is instead full of people who don’t want to pay for things and who don’t like ads. Good luck bootstrapping the next Reddit with that.

>>paulco+(OP)
Counterpoint - most of that group paid him money for Apollo…

>>paulco+(OP)
I don’t think that is necessarily true. There’s two payed tiers of the app, and they seem to sell at least well enough to support the development of the app.

>>paulco+(OP)
What makes you think people who use Apollo don't want to pay for things? I literally pay for Apollo

>>paulco+(OP)
I, and many others, have paid for the Pro version of Apollo. Would happily pay more to continue using it over the official app!

>>paulco+(OP)
Reddit itself was bootstrapped with that.

>>spider+X4
Also all iOS users, who are more valuable, and probably harder to use bots/easier to permaban (compared to Android or web). On the other side, Apple will kill your app, maybe without warning, if you don't moderate strongly enough for their liking.

>>buildb+w3
They paid him money to access something that they could access in another way for free because it was just that good.

>>ladber+w6
Yeah, I’ve paid for Ultra or whatever the top tier is. But I’m not naive enough to think there are enough people like me and you to fund some new Reddit with a tiny fraction of the content.

>>spider+X4
Because most people don’t want to pay for things they can get for “free” — look at literally every thread on HN about ads or every paywalled article here w/ an “archive” link. They’ll twist themselves into knots justifying to themselves that they’re entitled to something for nothing.

Just because you pay for Apollo (I pay for it as well) isn’t evidence that most of the Apollo user base is ready to open their wallets to the point of starting Reddit 2.0.

>>paulco+(OP)
I've paid for the app, the top tier. I am not on the app to avoid ads. The ads on the Reddit app aren't why I hate it. The entire UX is crap. There are zero features on the official app that are usable to me.

I would happily pay for Apollo on its own backend, and more than happily see ads.

All I am asking for is the Apollo apps front end, this app is the only thing that makes Reddit or a site like Reddit usable for me.

>>paulco+(OP)
You have a point. He has a lot of power users and many don't want to pay. Many others may be willing to, but I don't think paid users alone is enough to sustain a site.

However, of all of the Reddit alternatives that have popped up and failed, this one seems promising because there is a broad base of users that are all angry at once. In the past, it has always been fringe groups that have been banned and sought another site. Because of that, the subject matter of the new site always had challenges getting site hosts and advertisers on board. This is different. Having power users hurts on ad revenue but potentially helps on site quality. I don't know what will happen but this is a uniquely promising opportunity. We'll see how it goes.

>>paulco+kb
> look at literally every thread on HN about ads

I'm sorry, but in the case of ads this is a two way street. Ad companies have made it impossible to revoke consent for them to collect my data so ad blocking is the last refuge I have left. What entitles marketers to ignore the DNT flag and continue collecting info about me?