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1. Zetice+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-05-31 19:25:08
I blocked the reddit.com domain from all of my devices a few weeks ago, because until recently I didn't feel like I could keep my finger on the pulse of "The Internet" without Reddit.

That's no longer the case. Google's "For You" gets me my niche subject-specific content, Google News/Memeorandum (and its sibling sites)/Apple News gives me the mainstream media perspectives, HN (and maybe Bluesky occasionally) my urge to discuss and engage with others, and YouTube Shorts (I refuse to install TikTok) helps me understand Internet culture.

I don't think any one company came for Reddit on their own, but what they've left Reddit with as a differentiator are the communities. Unfortunately, those end up existing as little fiefdoms for the moderators who run them, and if that's all you're going to offer, you're not going to be able to justify that $10-$15bn (probably lower now) valuation to investors.

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2. doix+12[view] [source] 2023-05-31 19:31:36
>>Zetice+(OP)
> but what they've left Reddit with as a differentiator are the communities.

Yeah, I pretty much only use reddit for a few game communities, unfortunately with this change I suspect more and more people will move to discord. It's pretty annoying, but I suspect I'll have to eventually cave and join them when they finally kill old.reddit.com.

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3. victor+13[view] [source] 2023-05-31 19:35:19
>>Zetice+(OP)
What is Google's "For You" ?
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4. tech23+w3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 19:38:24
>>victor+13
Could be referring to the suggested news on the mobile home page and also in Google News
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5. Zetice+V3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 19:40:30
>>tech23+w3
Correct; I'm not sure what to call the mobile home page, but it's different from just the News "For you" offering (which I also use), though I'm not sure how.
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6. browni+H5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 19:48:05
>>Zetice+V3
I find a lot of the google customization features to be hard to find,or trust/count on, because they no longer reside at a URI. Things like travel details pulled from emails… I still use tripit just because Google doesn’t seem to want to commit. So perplexing.

I wish the “my” portals would come back.

7. HansHa+s6[view] [source] 2023-05-31 19:51:00
>>Zetice+(OP)
> but what they've left Reddit with as a differentiator are the communities

And I'm honestly not very fond of how the communities on reddit work. Sure, there is some overlap between the peoples on different subreddits, but there is little 'community' across subreddits and it feels very different to the 'good old' discussion boards that cover a very general topic and then have many more specific subsections. I'm especially missing the more off-topic aspects, which just doesn't fit well with the separation in subreddits.

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8. idiots+w6[view] [source] 2023-05-31 19:51:20
>>Zetice+(OP)
What do you do isntead of appending 'reddit' to google search? I could imagine dropping everything else but search is terrible for a lot of things without it.
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9. idiots+Y6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 19:52:30
>>doix+12
ugh, discord is basically IRC. There's a reason we don't use IRC for everything. I hate that it's replacing everything.
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10. LeoPan+88[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 19:57:31
>>idiots+w6
For what it's worth, you should append "site:reddit.com" instead of just "reddit", to avoid being tricked by sites which simply include the word reddit.
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11. humble+x8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 19:59:07
>>victor+13
It's https://news.google.com/foryou.
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12. 411111+S9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:03:47
>>idiots+Y6
No? It's more like a BB with inbuild live voicechat, streaming etc.

IRC itself doesn't provide a shared history, threading etc.

You could get there with alternative clients and bots (at least if all participants use the same), but calling that IRC is a stretch

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13. xg15+Va[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:07:55
>>HansHa+s6
The "hive mind" effect is also much more pronounced than on traditional forums, sometimes bordering on being creepy.

Not sure if it's caused by power-hungry mods, the upvote/downvote dynamics or political polarisation, but you can often quickly make out specific "opinions" that are somehow magically shared by everyone posting in a particular subreddit.

The UX also actively supports this by de-emphasizing individual users and emphasizing subreddits as the primary "personalities" of the platform. This goes so far that on r/all, the names of the individual users who posted the threads aren't even shown anymore. All you see is subreddits.

That together with some "supermods" moderating large fractions of the popular subreddits and a recent post on HN of another redditor who experienced shadowbanning makes me seriously wonder how authentic the discussions you see on r/all really are.

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14. xg15+Sb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:11:25
>>idiots+Y6
Discord reuses the IRC "aesthetic" with "servers", channels and slash commands, but the actual structure of the conversations is much more like a forum.
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15. adastr+Kc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:15:10
>>xg15+Sb
In what way? It’s still time based instead of topic based.
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16. dablue+Sc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:15:44
>>doix+12
>Yeah, I pretty much only use reddit for a few game communities, unfortunately with this change I suspect more and more people will move to discord

Oh boy, I can't wait to have to join a specific game discord for every game I want to play or else be locked out of any community information!

Discords are easily killing a lot of hobbies by sequestering away information. And even when you're told "Oh that answer is on XYZ discord" you have to go in and find the conversation using Discords ever-shittier search function

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17. Initia+nd[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:17:32
>>LeoPan+88
I know I can do this, but FWIW my searches with just "reddit" nearly always get dozens of responses from reddit before they get anything from anywhere else.
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18. jdwith+Se[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:23:39
>>xg15+Va
I check the fantasy football sub from time to time and the hive mind is definitely a factor there. If you post an opinion that goes against the grain, you're likely to get aggressively dogpiled with downvotes and called a moron in the replies. Reddit really isn't an enjoyable place to post.
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19. rightb+Ue[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:23:43
>>xg15+Va
Ye the same-thinking is creepy. Many subs are like sects. I believe there is a huge manipulation ongoing on the popular subs. In a natural forum posters don't agree to the extent they do on Reddit.
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20. xg15+Ye[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:23:57
>>adastr+Kc
I think it depends how the server is structured. You can also have "threads" which are topic-based inside a specific channel.
21. jdwith+dg[view] [source] 2023-05-31 20:28:28
>>Zetice+(OP)
I just checked "For You" for the first time and the top story was about one celebrity commenting on another's ass. And then a bunch of clickbait headlines designed to make people share them on social media and get mad. Think I'll pass.
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22. squeak+ng[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:29:05
>>adastr+Kc
You can turn any top-level message in a room into a Thread. I don't ever really see that used though, and I don't believe it bumps the thread when there's a new message (then again neither does Reddit).
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23. dopame+2h[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:32:20
>>jdwith+dg
If you've never used it before might you need to for it to show you more relevant things?
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24. Zetice+vj[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:43:53
>>dopame+2h
Yup, I've found the worst offenders are typically a small subset of sites, and you can ban sites from your For You, which cleans it up pretty quickly.

I've got articles about the debt limit, AI, immigration, the new Titleist irons, etc.

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25. SlimyH+Ij[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:44:42
>>jdwith+dg
I can't even find this feature. I googled "for you" and got LMGTFY and related sites. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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26. giraff+0n[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 21:02:52
>>rightb+Ue
I think it's almost entirely emergent based on how the incentives and pressures of self-selecting subreddit membership intersects with the upvote/downvote system.

An interesting and notable thing in this context is how for any given interest represented on reddit there is actually an entire ecosystem of subs. There's the main one, the decade-old mod schism one, the "circlejerk" parody one, the "True" one that takes itself more seriously, the more recent schism that allows slurs, the one for memes about the interest, a few to many for various subdivisions or specializations within the interest, various vestigial zombie schisms and misspellings that may or may not just redirect to one of the others.

Each of these will have elements of its own culture and history and jargon and in-jokes, but drawn from the same pool of subject matter and all in some way referencing or revolving around the biggest one, even if only in opposition to it. All will share some mods with at least some others and most users will frequent more than one of them.

What you end up coming up against is identity. Each sub needs a reason for itself to exist and so members create that meaning by enforcing the norms, referencing the jokes, and socializing new members into the history and protocol. HN works exactly like this too btw; it is culturally a subreddit, even if hosted elsewhere with slightly different game mechanics.

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27. teloto+YB[view] [source] 2023-05-31 22:25:26
>>Zetice+(OP)
I mostly use Reddit for city subreddits. Despite the overall political bias of Reddit these days, they have a habit of uncovering and bringing to widespread attention a lot of stories that I wouldn't hear about otherwise. Nextdoor and Facebook generally don't cover a wide enough range of topics and are almost impossible to use to read a lot of stories. For everything else, I feel that Discord, Twitter, and forums can replace Reddit pretty handily now.
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28. teloto+oC[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 22:27:58
>>rightb+Ue
Nah, the supermods intentionally go after popular-enough subreddits that contradict their ideological lean, or are just not ideological enough, either taking over moderation of subreddits that aren't breaking rules, or banning subreddits that are (while never banning subreddits that break the rules but are ideologically align).
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29. idiots+fH[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 22:55:33
>>411111+S9
threading isn't particularly impactful if 90% of discussions don't use it.
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30. idiots+FH[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 22:57:40
>>Initia+nd
yeah the lazy reddit add nearly always works. Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick?
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31. witche+cI[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 23:00:07
>>HansHa+s6
I still find that there is no advantage to Reddit over the old forum culture now that the moderation has gone full steam off the cliff into the ocean. If all you are doing on Reddit is barricading yourself into niche subreddits then what is the point of Reddit over forums? On forums you do not have to deal with upvotes/downvotes and the posts are chronologically ordered so you don't have to worry about responding to comments immediately - and discussion can be for as long as you want them to be.
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32. witche+9U[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 00:37:47
>>idiots+w6
Reddit is rarely the best source for anything except maybe a discussion on a news event around 2015. Quora was always a little better but has gone down the drain as well. But never I have added "reddit" to my searches.
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33. goles+GX[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 01:16:12
>>teloto+oC
Remember when all the supermods of reddit shut down their subreddits in protest of Reddit not banning some Coronavirus subreddits?

Imagine holding a companies website hostage you work for free on unless they run their company how you want them to.

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34. rightb+Nw1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 08:30:41
>>giraff+0n
Sure, your analysis is probably correct for moderate sized subs to smaller. But the bigger ones can't have such a narrow field of view to sect like ingroup thinking without manipulation.

I guess it is a combo of additive fake grassroots and bans.

It feels like, at some point, a point of view becomes law and all dissent disappears.

I mean three close friends in some anarchist 100-voters-in-total party don't agree as much as reddit users seems to do.

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35. giraff+g82[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 13:56:21
>>rightb+Nw1
> But the bigger ones can't have such a narrow field of view to sect like ingroup thinking without manipulation.

Why not? If billions of people can be in a religion then surely millions can be in a subreddit with some religion-like properties.

I think there is probably not a clear and useful line between manipulation and moderation. There's no neutral moderation, all mod policies and actions are towards a certain goal & vision for how the community should be. I'm not sure what fake grassroots would be but I think the upvotes and awards account for that: people know what will be rewarded and the rewards turn posting into a performance.

Anyway I'm going to point this out again because it's useful and interesting: HN behaves in these same ways to about the same degree as any large sub does. The alignment on etiquette, culture, accepted belief and punishment for deviation from it is very strong here. This indicates to me that this is somehow an emergent characteristic of large self-selecting online communities.

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