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1. bluesc+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-05-31 19:15:44
Please Reddit, just let us use a web browser to access your web site.

Users shouldn’t be forced so aggressively into using an ‘app’ - whether the official one or a 3rd-party app - when mobile web browsers are so very capable.

replies(2): >>azemet+N >>PNewli+s3
2. azemet+N[view] [source] 2023-05-31 19:18:52
>>bluesc+(OP)
Ever since learning the phrase "enshittification" [1] from Cory Doctorow it becomes more apparent when it happens around you.

I wonder if there is a "fediverse" for something like forums? I can never get into mastodon because it's not like forums and conversations between people are quite hard if you don't follow them.

[1] https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/

replies(7): >>7v3x3n+E1 >>proto_+t3 >>avdlin+va >>omnibr+1c >>dablue+Lf >>pembro+dh >>m463+zh
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3. 7v3x3n+E1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 19:21:54
>>azemet+N
check out Lemmy https://join-lemmy.org/
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4. PNewli+s3[view] [source] 2023-05-31 19:28:34
>>bluesc+(OP)
Have you tried using the 'old' reddit? Replacing 'www.' with 'old.' will move you over to the old style of reddit and will keep you there when clicking through links.

https://old.reddit.com/r/all/

replies(5): >>blowsk+E6 >>m348e9+f7 >>kgwxd+Yb >>adzm+ke >>ChrisA+9v
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5. proto_+t3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 19:28:35
>>azemet+N
Something like that could probably be built on top of the matrix protocol, I'm not aware of anything concrete though.
replies(1): >>toomuc+G4
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6. toomuc+G4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 19:32:16
>>proto_+t3
https://www.discourse.org/ with a discovery mechanism? Would be cool to get Keybase out of Zoom to use for pki identity across various communities. Seems like all the primitives are there, just a lot of grind to do it.

Users->Discovery Mechanism->Topics->Threads with all of the trimmings.

replies(1): >>rapnie+H7
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7. nullin+J4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 19:32:28
>>7v3x3n+E1
Last I checked the main instance became a haven for US domestic terrorists and like-minded ilk.
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8. blowsk+E6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 19:41:16
>>PNewli+s3
They’ve got rid of the alternative mobile UI (I.reddit.com). And a lot of links from old.reddit.com redirect to the main site.
replies(1): >>tangus+In
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9. m348e9+f7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 19:43:40
>>PNewli+s3
old.reddit.com and Apollo are the only things that makes reddit usable. I suspect that there are plans to do away with old.reddit.com at some point.

Maybe that will be reddit's Digg exodus moment.

I read a thread on reddit about the api fees where commenters called out HN as the next site to move to. Hopefully not.

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10. rapnie+H7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 19:45:53
>>toomuc+G4
3 different forum softwares are working on ActivityPub support: Discourse (via The Pavilion), Flarum, and nodeBB.
replies(1): >>azemet+9u
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11. sudosy+g8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 19:48:18
>>nullin+J4
Perhaps, however the tech works. The point of the fediverse is you can choose who to federate with.
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12. avdlin+va[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 19:56:58
>>azemet+N
Unfortunately that wired website seems to be following the enshittification protocol.
replies(1): >>azemet+1h
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13. kgwxd+Yb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:02:02
>>PNewli+s3
And you can append .rss /r/all.rss to any sub. Never have to reskim a headline and all the links open in old.reddit
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14. omnibr+1c[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:02:21
>>azemet+N
> I wonder if there is a "fediverse" for something like forums? I can never get into mastodon because it's not like forums and conversations between people are quite hard if you don't follow them.

Usenet. But it fell out of fashion around the turn of the millenium.

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15. adzm+ke[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:11:01
>>PNewli+s3
If you have an account you can also just tell it to use the old / desktop site in settings.
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16. bakugo+if[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:15:23
>>m348e9+f7
> reddit's Digg exodus moment

People keep bringing this up and I feel like there's a fundamental misunderstanding going on. The internet of 2010 is not the internet of today, not even close.

The average reddit user of today isn't going to stop using reddit due to problems like this because they just don't care, at all. They don't care about the new web design being a massive downgrade over the old one because they're used to every website looking like that, they have no complaints, many of them probably don't even know the old design still exists. They don't care that the app sucks and is full of ads because, again, most official apps for most websites are like that, it's the new normal. They just want to scroll through funny meme videos on their phone for a while and don't think about it beyond that, the age of the average user having standards is long, long gone.

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17. dablue+Lf[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:17:09
>>azemet+N
>I wonder if there is a "fediverse" for something like forums?

Closest thing I can think of is the .win communities which are very reddit-like in interface, but unfortunately mostly uh.... radical.

Reddit itself was open-source until 2018. I wonder if someone could easily spin up a docker container that allows one to self-host a local instance (e.g. one subreddit)

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18. azemet+1h[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:21:54
>>avdlin+va
Sorry you aren't able to read it, he also talks about it here as well:

https://doctorow.medium.com/twiddler-1b5c9690cce6

Oddly enough I can't find it actually on his blog.

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19. pembro+dh[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:22:47
>>azemet+N
> Ever since learning the phrase "enshittification" [1] from Cory Doctorow it becomes more apparent when it happens around you.

This is just the natural lifecycle of all things involving humans. Why people want the same stuff to remain dominant forever is baffling to me. I can imagine nothing worse. Reddit dying off to leave space for something new and fresh is a good thing.

Social media sites do seem to go through the cycle even faster though--probably because they're essentially digital nightclubs. We all know of that one hip club that everybody waited in line for in our 20s, and then suddenly the drinks get too expensive and the crowd gets older and uncool...and then suddenly there's no line out front anymore. And there's a new spot in town where the young people cluster.

Before Reddit there was Digg. After Reddit, I'm confident there will be something else.

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20. m463+zh[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:24:20
>>azemet+N
enshittification might be more like the ship of theseus. The original reddit was started by an interesting group of people with different ideas and ideals than who is there now.

The people making up reddit might have been replaced with completely different people - with different motivations, behaviors, and expectations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

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21. costco+Ij[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:33:09
>>bakugo+if
Exactly right and saddening as well. Their growth strategy is clearly working because based on MAU graphs it seems like most Reddit users joined in the past 2-3 years which is when all this stuff started. I wouldn't be surprised if the average comment length is half of what it was even 5 years ago. A lot of the growth seems to have come from mobile users but mobile users are terrible from a comment quality perspective so I hope this ultimately backfires in some way though I'm not hopeful.
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22. tangus+In[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:52:29
>>blowsk+E6
Try this: https://old.reddit.com/r/all/.i

Unfortunately it doesn't keep across links.

replies(1): >>kiolea+2q
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23. kiolea+2q[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 21:06:10
>>tangus+In
Teddit.net is what you're looking for. It can get slow, but there are a lot of instances and you can also self host
replies(1): >>blowsk+sl1
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24. Eji170+Ht[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 21:26:44
>>bakugo+if
If the digg exodus taught C level's anything, it's that digg's target market isn't worth marketing to. They're too picky. Reddit and everyone else has used that market to get the ball off the ground and then pivot AWAY from them ever since. The last thing you want is a userbase that has opinions when there's so many out there who will put up with anything.
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25. azemet+9u[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 21:28:57
>>rapnie+H7
That's cool, will definitely be checking back on it from time to time.
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26. ChrisA+9v[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 21:35:10
>>PNewli+s3
or you could log in and set your UI preferences to the old and then it's always that look. Stop lurking!
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27. azemet+jJ[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 22:53:20
>>m463+zh
Not in my view. Enshittification is more about the business cycle of sucking everything dry for the pursuit of money. Users be damned. At least that's how I read it, ship of theseus is more of an interesting thought experiment but not exactly related.
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28. azemet+IK[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 23:00:09
>>pembro+dh
I highly disagree. There are many aspects of human life that don't devolve into the enshittification lifecycle. Public parks are one, eating with friends another, debating with people about various topics.

It's more about the business side than the human side, the social need will always be there but the business aspect taints it. At least the modern corpo "let's IPO and become billionaires, fuck the people, and chase endless growth" taint it more so.

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29. blowsk+sl1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 05:33:19
>>kiolea+2q
I’ve taken the other approach - I rarely visit Reddit now.
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