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Car-centric design makes things unwalkable; other models make things undriveable. It's a competition.

>>HPsqua+(OP)
Undriveable isn't bad though. We don't really get any value from driving for everyday trips over walking/biking/transit. And any decent walkable designs don't prohibit necessary driving such as delivery and emergency services, so they're not truly undriveable. It is a competition, but dying from cancer is also a form of competition. We don't always have to give both sides equal standing.

>>HPsqua+(OP)
The point is that driving should not be required to live a full life, and in fact it's much more pleasant to live without cars everywhere.

The goal of driving is to get from point A to point B. But when point A and point B are a 5 minute walk, why drive at all? Well, in America we designed our cities and suburbs to make the distance between A and B as large as possible. But we didn't have to do that!

>>HPsqua+(OP)
The Netherlands begs to differ.

>>diggin+n
Some places are really hot/humid you know, it's nice not to have to bike and need a shower for a small errand

>>acabal+C1
And it isn't. If you prioritize your life around not driving you can still live a full life.

>>cpursl+72
That’s why there’s a 5 lane highway from Utrecht to Amsterdam?

>>google+45
So prioritize e-bikes or scooters.

>>chung8+58
Unfortunately, in the U.S. this is not true.

>>HPsqua+(OP)
You can drive Tokyo but it's just expensive to park

>>dev1n+yd
It can be but you have to make your choice of housing location priority number one. Then worry about employment, raising a family, etc. Not easy at all which is why so few do it.

>>HPsqua+(OP)
Except driving is the only transportation option which regularly results in the death of people walking/biking outside of that car. Walking/biking/rail/bus kill virtually no one, cars kill tens of thousands annually.

Discouraging driving is a reasonable public health measure for a safer society.

>>fomine+Ch
Residential streets in Tokyo are narrow and sometimes barely fit one car.

As for parking, well, it's market price. It's expensive because parking has been subsidized as the default in vast majority of the world.

>>HPsqua+(OP)
Carcentric design is also against drivability if you account for inevitable traffic jams

>>rad_gr+19
Between cities, yeah. But also trains, unlike America. And in Utrecht proper there’s multiple options for getting around that aren’t cars. The Netherlands does a great job (maybe the best) designing for multi-mode transportation, including cars.

>>google+45
I live in one. I still walk when I'm able.

>>brewda+Pj
You also need a minimum amount of financial comfort and stability, which, in the US, is not easy for many people. Often the poorest neighborhoods are the most car-bound.

>>cpursl+ka1
I have to admit. The OV card is pretty cool.