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1. deprec+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-05-18 22:15:14
When you live in an average American suburb you cannot walk down the road to a store. You may or may not have a sidewalk. There will not be reliable public transit. You have to get in the car and drive to do anything. There's no other way.

Saying something like "New York" immediately invalidates the rest of your comment as New York (City) is one of the few areas with meaningful public transit.

We worship cars here. Cars are like Freedom Jesus. If you do anything to mess with cars you are a filthy communist who should die according to the general public.

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2. inferi+K1[view] [source] 2023-05-18 22:23:44
>>deprec+(OP)

  Saying something like "New York" immediately invalidates the rest of your
  comment as New York (City) 
New York != New York City. Don Draper lived in Ossining, which is about forty (40) miles north of Lower Manhattan (New York City). What's being discussed is commuter rail, not dense intracity transit. Commuter rail systems exist across the country and are absolutely a viable way of getting folks out of cars.
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3. chung8+H4[view] [source] 2023-05-18 22:38:40
>>deprec+(OP)
People find cars the easiest way to get around and they support things to make that easier. The average person wants to be able to travel somewhere easy and when they get there park. If that means more parking and wider roads they may support that. I hate arguments that latch onto a small extremist view and try to paint everyone with that broad stroke. Supporting cars is not some right wing agenda.

Every suburb I have lived in has been walkable for the main items (grocery, bar, getting to public transit). If you want to live in the suburbs and walk you have to make that your priority but it is very doable.

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4. deprec+r6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 22:47:38
>>inferi+K1
A commuter rail still requires a person to navigate the suburbs to get to the station which requires... cars.

I'm not against public transit. I just understand the reality of the United States. If it helps the poors or minorities with tax dollars we don't do it here.

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5. deprec+b7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 22:51:28
>>chung8+H4
Supporting cars is not the right-wing agenda. Blocking public transit funding and buildouts are.

> Every suburb I have lived in has been walkable for the main items (grocery, bar, getting to public transit).

Every suburb I have ever lived in or been to has not been walkable for any items. No bar, no restaurant, no store, no public transit. There were also no bike lanes nor any sidewalks. I live where I can afford to be within reasonable distance to employment. I don't have control beyond that to decide to live elsewhere.

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6. chung8+kd[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 23:26:01
>>deprec+b7
You pick where you live. If you want to live somewhere that doesn't require a car you need to pick carefully. It does exist in the suburbs from Miami, to Portland, to Seattle, to LA, to Chicago, there are suburbs you don't have to have a car for and almost every major city in the US has that option.
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7. deprec+di[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 00:00:08
>>chung8+kd
You pick where you live but it's not a matter of having a free choice. You can only live so far from where you work or where employment is. There are constraints on your choice. I live in a place I can afford within reasonable commute to my employer as does nearly anyone else.
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