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1. Utopia+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-05-18 19:05:21
Do you think cleanliness and perceived safety* are more important than more frequent and faster public transit? I'm not asking in a combatitive way, just discussing. I think these are all important for encouraging Americans to use public transit more, but, imo, convenience is the single thing biggest factor that gets the general population to take up something in this country. If a car is more convenient than a bus, then most people will choose the car.

*I say "perceived safety," because vibes seem to matter more than actual safety. Like, the stats on car wrecks, drunk driving, distracted driving, and so on are alarming. But when I think of someone concerned about "safety," I imagine someone being uncomfortable around people they feel are sketchy.

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2. keifer+ad[view] [source] 2023-05-18 20:10:03
>>Utopia+(OP)
I’m not sure I’d say more important, but definitely of equal importance. Especially in terms of how people perceive public transit; i.e. is it just for people that can’t afford a car, or is it clean, comfortable, and a viable alternative to a car?
3. androm+9q[view] [source] 2023-05-18 21:22:34
>>Utopia+(OP)
They are to most women, at least in my friend group.
4. dilap+xr[view] [source] 2023-05-18 21:28:34
>>Utopia+(OP)
In somewhere like SF, yeah, definitely, in my experience. Riding the BART is disgusting.

I think an interesting thing to remember about perceived safety, statistical safety, and actual safety, is that they are all different things -- you can't just look at stats to determine actual safety.

E.g., I was involved in a couple of incidents involving attacks in SF that I am sure were not reflected in the stats. (As well as numerous thefts, though that's not a safety issue per se.)

5. bombca+ys[view] [source] 2023-05-18 21:33:18
>>Utopia+(OP)
Safety and speed are tied together; if you have to wait 15 minutes at a bus stop for the next bus that has all sorts of safety implications, if a bus arrives every 2 minutes it will feel very different.

Convenience is a big part of it, sure, but even Americans will use transit when it works for them, even if it is not faster (it is almost NEVER faster than driving a car unless you do strange restrictions or include a very-high-speed segment).

But you only need a few bad experiences on transit to put you off it when you have other options.

6. hoover+201[view] [source] 2023-05-19 00:56:04
>>Utopia+(OP)
A stinking homeless person getting in your face is more visceral than a car wreck you aren't involved in.
7. mantas+Er1[view] [source] 2023-05-19 05:34:33
>>Utopia+(OP)
Of course cleanliness and safety is important. It sucks to ride in a stinking bus next to a passing out hobo. Wether it's 20 minutes or 40 minutes. Same applies if you have to carefully watch your backpack to not have it's bottom cut.
8. best_o+Bh2[view] [source] 2023-05-19 12:59:04
>>Utopia+(OP)
The thing is that "safety" isn't just about like, whether you'll actually die or be injured.

Spending time around degenerates degrades your life. It changes how you see people around you. It makes you see other people as threats first and people second.

Trauma is real too. Seeing someone nod out from being on drugs, or fights, or whatever else, puts you on edge.

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