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> I’d start by making the stations and buses/subways beautiful, clean, safe places that are just nice urban places to be in

I spent yesterday travelling around Greater London using only public transport, coupled with quite a lot of (fairly brisk) walking ... my phone said my day involved 20591 steps and 98 heart points.

When you don't have access to a car, you have to think quite differently about mundane things like going to a supermarket.

"Where is the closest supermarket to my current location" for the car user becomes "where is any supermarket which is close to a public transport stop I can readily reach from my current location" which I find isn't handled nearly as well by all our favourite mapping services. Things like fares and fare zones become of interest, not just raw distances and traffic on routes.

> There’s no need to make it a moral crusade [..]

Unfortunately there seems to be no broad agreement on exactly how you make places "beautiful, clean [and] safe" if they aren't.

>>logifa+(OP)
There is plenty of broad agreement, you just have to look at Japan, or China, or Singapore, or Turkey, Poland, or Switzerland, or Korea, or another dozen countries around the world that have clean, safe, and (sufficiently) beautiful public transport systems. The bar is really not that high.

>>keifer+z5
> There is plenty of broad agreement, you just have to look at Japan, or China, or Singapore, or Turkey, Poland, or Switzerland, or Korea, or another dozen countries around the world that have clean, safe, and (sufficiently) beautiful public transport systems. The bar is really not that high.

So all those cities/countries where public transport is not clean and safe have to just copy - for instance - Singapore or China?

Q: What's stopping them?

That's what I mean about lack of broad agreement.

>>logifa+(OP)
Hardly anybody needs to get public transport for a supermarket in London, they are within 15 minutes walk.