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1. gavinh+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-05-12 02:09:06
This case infuriates me.

At the time, I had just finished sending in an appeal to being denied a medical clearance to become a pilot because of a history of clinical depression.

That appeal required undergoing a battery of tests, a psychological evaluation, multiple meetings with a therapist and a report from the same, and 15 hours of flight instruction plus a report of my performance by the flight instructors.

I intended to be professional. Everyone thought I was safe to fly.

I nevertheless thought the FAA would deny my appeal. I was right. [1]

So because I once had clinical depression, I can't get a medical. And yet, yahoos like this get to fly simply because stupidity and malice isn't as well-documented as a history of mental illness. Sigh...

To be clear, I don't think the FAA is at fault here; they didn't know, and they acted fast once he did it. They did a great job.

I just wish they would let me fly.

[1]: https://gavinhoward.com/2022/09/grounded-for-life-losing-the...

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2. latchk+31[view] [source] 2023-05-12 02:16:20
>>gavinh+(OP)
Is flying in the US your only option?
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3. gavinh+y1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 02:19:11
>>latchk+31
Now that I have a history with the FAA, I probably couldn't fly international.

I also have a wife. I can't just pack up and move to a different country.

When the rejection came, I decided my marriage was worth more than flying.

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4. latchk+e2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 02:25:17
>>gavinh+y1
Yea, I read your post.

Having now lived outside of the US for a period of time, I've come to the grand realization that the US is one of the least 'free' countries out there (and I moved to a communist country!).

My guess is that if you really wanted to find a way to fly, you could, and it wouldn't require moving.

If there is a will, there is a way.

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5. gavinh+Z3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 02:42:31
>>latchk+e2
I have a moral code that is against bribery.
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6. insoma+D5[view] [source] 2023-05-12 03:04:07
>>gavinh+(OP)
That is a good reason to forever hide your mental illnesses, which mean they will never get treated. Stupid policy.
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7. gavinh+56[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 03:10:26
>>insoma+D5
I agree. I was even willing to agree to regular appointments with a therapist who could ground me at any time for any reason.

But no. I was punished for being honest.

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8. insoma+x6[view] [source] 2023-05-12 03:15:24
>>gavinh+(OP)
I don't know man, maybe you should remove some of these posts next time you apply:

https://gavinhoward.com/2020/10/the-next-great-project-zion/

(This one jumped out to me in particular.) https://gavinhoward.com/2022/08/the-nature-of-heaven-what-i-...

https://gavinhoward.com/2021/07/the-next-free-nation/ https://gavinhoward.com/2021/06/israel-is-not-an-apartheid-s... https://gavinhoward.com/2020/07/political-slavery/

These posts you've been making might have more of an influence on your application than your medical history, bro.

edit:

In this post: https://gavinhoward.com/2021/07/the-next-free-nation/

You stated ..."So the United States must die.

But what will rise in its place will be even greater: Zion."

Bro, I would NOT want you flying my plane after reading that.

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9. shipsc+t9[view] [source] 2023-05-12 03:44:54
>>gavinh+(OP)
Unfortunately in today’s day and age any mental illness is a scarlet letter on your record when it comes to anything government related. Firearm licenses in antigun states are probably the most egregious.

It’s especially troubling with the hype surrounding “mental illness” or “neurodiversity” and popularization of it amongst the youth. It seems to be creating a nation of prohibited persons and second class citizens.

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10. klardo+E9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 03:46:50
>>insoma+D5
I know someone going through flight school right now who largely reached the same conclusion: that soon, we'll have next to no inbound new pilots, because Gen Z and Alpha are diagnosed with various mental conditions at high enough rates (in hopes of getting treated, which we should be encouraging) that FAA medicals will become less and less likely.

The FAA needs to get its stuff together in this regard, and quickly.

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11. Saigon+ha[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 03:52:07
>>gavinh+Z3
I was able to immigrate to Vietnam and set myself up without bribery. I've been here 10 years.

Mainly it was a matter of learning how to do the paperwork properly. Some people here pay bribes, others refuse to. I won't claim everything here is magically ideal, but as a general rule if you don't put yourself in situations where you need to pay bribes, you won't have to pay them. Mostly simple things like getting a driver's license if you're going to drive, maintaining your vehicle, and registering your current address.

Foreign residents here do have a bit of a reputation for poor compliance on stuff like this and doing everything the shadiest, laziest, and most fragile way possible.

This situation has improved in recent years -- I currently know maybe 4 or 5 other legal immigrants. We are a minority -- your assumptions about the behavior of the average person who moves here from North America are not entirely without merit, it's just not a universal truth.

Anyway I don't mean to argue with you -- just provide a hopefully interesting slice of life from a different part of the world.

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12. gavinh+eb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 04:00:26
>>Saigon+ha
These are fair points, thank you.
13. jopolo+bc[view] [source] 2023-05-12 04:10:16
>>gavinh+(OP)
Fly under sport pilot privileges. All you need is a drivers license.

Reach out to West Desert Aviators in Utah. Several young people in tech fly there. If you can find LSA to fly, light sport isn’t as restrictive of a license as it’s made out to be and you don’t have to live in fear of the FAA yanking your medical

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14. gavinh+sc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 04:13:45
>>jopolo+bc
That is a good point.

I guess I was so discouraged because I wanted to become a professional helicopter pilot, for which I needed a first-class medical.

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15. latchk+yg[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 04:56:35
>>Saigon+ha
Ha! I moved to Vietnam as well. (in Oct 2016). Only back in the US because I was locked out during covid and ended up changing all my plans and making things work here for now.

I love the ability to just pay the cops off, it is the best corruption ever. Who wants to go to court when you can just settle the matter right then and there for a few bucks. I also have a totally valid drivers license (A2) with my picture super imposed on someone else's head.

I'm curious, how did you immigrate there?

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16. latchk+Mg[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 04:57:44
>>gavinh+Z3
I don't know what that has to do with things here though. I bet you could go to somewhere like, Mexico (or another country down there), and easily hire someone to let you fly a plane.
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17. gavinh+gi[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 05:13:55
>>latchk+Mg
I can hire someone to let me fly a plane here; anyone can fly a plane with a flight instructor in the cockpit with them.

I want to be a pilot, though.

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18. LoganD+ok[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 05:36:32
>>klardo+E9
I was diagnosed with ADHD because I asked my doctor after someone on the internet spotted some symptoms and told me that ADHD medication might help. I don't think it's specifically the newer generations but rather just the present times of having access to information and opinions through the internet. It's not just trendy to have a mental disorder, it's just people are learning about them who otherwise wouldn't have.
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19. alex_l+wt[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 06:55:59
>>gavinh+56
Well...the honesty and potentially the vaguely threatening and somewhat religious-extremist nature of your posts, right?
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20. carl_d+HA[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 08:01:44
>>gavinh+56
I read this last week, which is very relevant : https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/the-madness-in-our-metho...

The stuff about mental health starts about half way through, the first half is recounting the incident.

21. ThePow+yI[view] [source] 2023-05-12 09:18:32
>>gavinh+(OP)
https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/the-madness-in-our-metho...

HN discussion at the time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35755630

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22. gavinh+ij1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 13:39:00
>>alex_l+wt
Read the rest of the thread.

My beliefs include strong loyalty to the current government. See D&C 134:5.

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23. bitcha+rj1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 13:39:32
>>insoma+x6
Oh wow, this is nuts. I guess this guy is a walking evidence FAA does some things right. Sheesh.
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24. gavinh+pl1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 13:47:28
>>bitcha+rj1
That's pretty bigoted.

Read the rest of the thread and my updated post. It's clear that I also believe I must have loyalty to the current government.

See D&C 134:5.

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25. bitcha+zn1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 13:54:36
>>gavinh+pl1
> That's pretty bigoted

nah, religious zealotry is nuts

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26. rhaps0+wP1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 16:02:01
>>insoma+x6
What’s so wrong with the anime post? I think it’s kind of endearing the way the writer makes this all seem religiously ok.
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27. ryandr+ES1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 16:17:28
>>gavinh+pl1
I think what people are objecting to is the "rise in its place" narrative.

It's one thing to say "I'd like to move away to another place with more like-minded people" or even "I'd like to influence my country to align better with my own values". Great. Those are both pretty uncontroversial, non-extremist opinions. It's a whole other kettle of fish to believe "My country/city should be replaced by one composed of exclusively like-minded people." Particularly problematic if by like-minded people, you mean followers of a particular religion.

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28. alex_l+n02[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 16:50:04
>>gavinh+ij1
I understand that, but that fact does not change the existence of the other content or its ability to be misperceived or taken out of context.
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29. gavinh+N42[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 17:14:36
>>alex_l+n02
There was nothing threatening about what I said, at least not intended. That is the entire point of everything else I wrote in this thread.

Yes, I worded things very poorly. I'm famous for doing that. But I attempted to fix those problems after people have criticized me in this thread.

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30. dang+uI2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 19:58:14
>>insoma+x6
Bringing in someone's external details as ammunition from elsewhere on the internet is not allowed on HN. It's a form of personal attack (even if you didn't intend it that way). I'm not saying that such details are necessarily irrelevant, but the cost of allowing them is much higher than any benefit (to wit: this subthread), so please don't.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

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31. dang+VJ2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-12 20:04:40
>>bitcha+zn1
Please stop calling names and/or posting flamewar comments to HN, regardless of how nuts someone else is or you feel they are.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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32. insoma+3r4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-13 13:19:34
>>gavinh+N42
You took it like a champ, dude, and I mean that in full sincerity. Best of luck on your journey to the sky.
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33. bitcha+047[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-14 14:20:03
>>dang+VJ2
I think you failed to read my comment correctly. I said religious zealotry is nuts. Not referring to a particular person.
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34. dang+nA7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-14 18:36:49
>>bitcha+047
Your comment broke the site guidelines either way. If it helps all, I can rephrase the moderation reply like this: Please stop calling names and/or posting flamewar comments to HN, regardless of how nuts something is or you feel it is.

I don't think this distinction makes much difference in this case. It's clear which person people thought was the "religious zealot" and were ganging up on. He also broke the site guidelines badly, of course.

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