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1. class4+(OP)[view] [source] 2022-12-16 11:10:31
Not deserving any credit and not giving him more than is actually due are two different things.

Musk is not talentless. His abilities allowed him to make the best of his opportunities of the time and his own circumstances. But this is a story of a fortunate business person, not some inspiring role model in any professional field or just as a person. On the whole he isn't even unique, just very public and the richest one.

>It’s important not to make any issue an “I align with X so you’re against me” conflict.

Ethics aren't some opinion you may or should just keep to yourself while lack of reason in public discourse does not need to be tolerated either.

Of course, that applies to the rest of us as well. There is definitely a subconscious wish within the hivemind of the public to see a bad guy fail, so a lot of people are willing stretch the truth a little bit.

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2. random+Hq3[view] [source] 2022-12-17 09:48:32
>>class4+(OP)
I think that position confuses ethics with condemnation of an individual.

You can be ethically against stealing, but still see the positive elements in the life of a thief.

It is absolutely not necessary to turn the discussion around Musk into a trial. It is possible he is neither guilty or innocent, but rather a mixture of good and bad - like everyone on here, even those condemning him as a terrible human.

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3. class4+nO3[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-17 14:08:50
>>random+Hq3
>You can be ethically against stealing, but still see the positive elements in the life of a thief.

Translated: You can use ethics to judge an action or just look at its risk/reward ratio? Yeah, that's what Musk does but that's also why plenty of people consider him a (near) sociopath.

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