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1. infraw+mX[view] [source] 2022-12-16 08:06:53
>>prawn+(OP)
Musk joined a Twitter Spaces discussion about the bans and was mocked after he left [1]. Notably, suspended accounts were on stage with Elon during the discussion [2].

The space was ended abruptly 30 minutes later and it appears it was killed on Twitter’s side given that the usual metadata does not match what a closed Space has. This Space was being recorded and the replay is not available [3].

Musk now claims that they are fixing a “legacy bug” [4] and this is why Spaces has been disabled. In my opinion, Musk is behaving like a petulant child and his group of cheerleaders look more ridiculous and without backbone each day.

[1] https://twitter.com/forevereversley/status/16036127708929187...

[2] https://twitter.com/katienotopoulos/status/16036045712884695...

[3] https://twitter.com/ashtonpittman/status/1603622824177848326

[4] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603649264290123778

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2. random+W21[view] [source] 2022-12-16 09:00:35
>>infraw+mX
I think calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate.

It’s important not to make any issue an “I align with X so you’re against me” conflict.

Musk has achieved great, incredible things. That’s just indisputable fact.

Musk is also behaving erratically, inconsistently, and seemingly also unethically over Twitter. And has done so in the past, eg in the dispute with the diver or against short sellers.

One aspect of Elon’s actions does not cancel the other out. We should celebrate the good and debate the bad.

I feel like this melodrama is driven by Musk’s detractors ready to pounce and dismiss, say, the development of reusable rockets, by Musk being petulant. That is not an argument that makes any sense.

And the same goes for any fans who think Musk’s incredible achievements give him permission to ban and censor those who annoy him.

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3. mattma+J31[view] [source] 2022-12-16 09:07:51
>>random+W21
People at Tesla and SpaceX have achieved great things, not Musk.

All he's demonstrating is that CEO pay and comp should never have got as high as it has and taxes on rich people needs to go way higher, they are just going to waste it any way.

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4. random+v41[view] [source] 2022-12-16 09:16:25
>>mattma+J31
> People at Tesla and SpaceX have achieved great things, not Musk

You can’t be serious. So Musk can’t take any credit for what those companies have achieved?

By that logic, he should also be blameless for any problems at Twitter.

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5. class4+Kf1[view] [source] 2022-12-16 11:10:31
>>random+v41
Not deserving any credit and not giving him more than is actually due are two different things.

Musk is not talentless. His abilities allowed him to make the best of his opportunities of the time and his own circumstances. But this is a story of a fortunate business person, not some inspiring role model in any professional field or just as a person. On the whole he isn't even unique, just very public and the richest one.

>It’s important not to make any issue an “I align with X so you’re against me” conflict.

Ethics aren't some opinion you may or should just keep to yourself while lack of reason in public discourse does not need to be tolerated either.

Of course, that applies to the rest of us as well. There is definitely a subconscious wish within the hivemind of the public to see a bad guy fail, so a lot of people are willing stretch the truth a little bit.

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6. random+rG4[view] [source] 2022-12-17 09:48:32
>>class4+Kf1
I think that position confuses ethics with condemnation of an individual.

You can be ethically against stealing, but still see the positive elements in the life of a thief.

It is absolutely not necessary to turn the discussion around Musk into a trial. It is possible he is neither guilty or innocent, but rather a mixture of good and bad - like everyone on here, even those condemning him as a terrible human.

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7. class4+745[view] [source] 2022-12-17 14:08:50
>>random+rG4
>You can be ethically against stealing, but still see the positive elements in the life of a thief.

Translated: You can use ethics to judge an action or just look at its risk/reward ratio? Yeah, that's what Musk does but that's also why plenty of people consider him a (near) sociopath.

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